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JIm, I think your comments are right on target.=20
Cullen, if you're in no hurry, give it another couple/few months. He'll com=
e off the 80 price (way off), if he wants to sell. I just don't see any cat=
alyst for prices to rebound over the next few quarters, personally.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Lindner via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com>
Cc: Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values
Cullen
You might point out to the seller the MKII currently for sale on the CAT fo=
rum. Seller is asking $150k. I have seen that car and it is among the best.=
..a multiple award winner at east coast Sunbeam events.
The 200k+ cars (only 2 that I recall) sold 2 years ago and I have not seen =
any reach that price since.
The non-running rust bucket I mentioned went for 45k last year and Hagerty =
has condition 4 cars near 70. So I would figure some where in between.
If seller will not budge, I would move on if it were me...just sayin'
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Cullen McCann via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:
Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have used=
the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with pe=
rsonal experiences.=20
I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the possib=
le sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up the floodga=
tes of other competition, hence my lack of detail.
He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces =
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen them.=
The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage with=
stuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very clea=
rly a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have some body =
filler, amount unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his expec=
tations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is confident =
his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a couple driv=
er quality MKII's that recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situat=
ion. He has no inspiration to build the car, only to get rich off of it. If=
the deal was right, I could possibly buy the car but I have no desire to o=
verpay. I think the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. =
I have offered him 30 without confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim =
and wheel arches, and he didn't even respond to my offer.
Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with discussi=
on on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case realistica=
lly to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is running out. I'=
ve been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.=20
Thank you all!
Cullen
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <randya@pacbell.net> wrot=
e:
Hi Cullen -=20
As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the H=
agerty web site and look it up. This site can give you a ball park number:
https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II
Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value =
of $67,500 in this condition. =20
Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be wort=
h less. However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim, =
rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value =
around $55k -60k.
- Randy
From: Cullen McCann via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values
=20
Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these da=
ys. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored condition. =
I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impossible to answer.=
=20
At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:
Authentic mk2 tiger.=20
No visible rust or collision damage.=20
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included.=20
Runs but does not drive.=20
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.=20
Been in same family for 30 years.=20
What's the least a person would expect to pay?
What the most?
Thanks friends!!
Cullen
LROFE
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">JIm, I think your comments are right on target. <br><br>Culle=
n, if you're in no hurry, give it another couple/few months. He'll come off=
the 80 price (way off), if he wants to sell. I just don't see any catalyst=
for prices to rebound over the next few quarters, personally.<br><br><br>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: James Lindner via Tigers <tigers@auto=
x.team.net><br>To: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com><br>Cc: Ti=
gers Den <tigers@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 4:41 pm<b=
r>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values<br><br></div>
<div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_755db355-84c0-41cb-a72c-15e3783f0d15">
<div class=3D"aolReplacedBody" dir=3D"auto"><div>Cullen</div><div id=3D"aol=
mail_AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSignature">Y=
ou might point out to the seller the MKII currently for sale on the CAT for=
um. Seller is asking $150k. I have seen that car and it is among the best..=
.a multiple award winner at east coast Sunbeam events.</div><div id=3D"aolm=
ail_AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSignature">Th=
e 200k+ cars (only 2 that I recall) sold 2 years ago and I have not seen an=
y reach that price since.</div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSignature"><br><=
/div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSignature">The non-running rust bucket I m=
entioned went for 45k last year and Hagerty has condition 4 cars near 70. S=
o I would figure some where in between.</div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSi=
gnature"><br></div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSignature">If seller will no=
t budge, I would move on if it were me...just sayin'</div><div id=3D"aolmai=
l_AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"aolmail_AppleMailSignature">Jim<=
br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Cull=
en McCann via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all who contributed to my question about&n=
bsp;MKII values. I have used the Hagerty Valuation tool many time=
s, but I couple that knowledge with personal experiences. </div><div><=
br></div><div>I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negoti=
ate the possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so withou=
t opening up the floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of det=
ail.</div><div><br></div><div>He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, w=
ith many critical MKII pieces that have not yet been confirmed. He may have=
them but I haven't seen them. The car does start, but does not drive.=
It also is packed in a garage with stuff all around it, obstructing s=
ome of its inspection, but its very clearly a MKII. It is&nb=
sp;recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have some body fille=
r, amount unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his expec=
tations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is&=
nbsp;confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know o=
f a couple driver quality MKII's that recently sold for less than=
100k. Frustrating situation. He has no inspiration to build the car, only =
to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I could possibly buy the car =
but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 =
but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 without confirmation of the&=
nbsp;grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, and he didn't even respond =
to my offer.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you so much for understanding a=
nd thank you for helping with discussion on values. Just trying to make sur=
e I am representing my case realistically to the potential seller. My =
patience for negotiation is running out. I've been lightly pursui=
ng the car since early 2013. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank you all!<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Cullen</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"aol=
mail_gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 8, 201=
6 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ran=
dya@pacbell.net" target=3D"_blank">randya@pacbell.net</a>></span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;ba=
ckground-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Aria=
l,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Hi Cullen - </sp=
an></div><div><span>As a starting point to determine the value of your car,=
you can go to the Hagerty web site and look it up. This site can giv=
e you a ball park number:</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.hagerty.com/apps/<wbr>valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-<=
wbr>Tiger-Mk_II</a><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a v=
alue of $67,500 in this condition. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive,=
it will be worth less. However, as long as you have all the rare par=
ts (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess=
a rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div><br><br></div><di=
v style=3D"display:block"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helveti=
ca Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div styl=
e=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande=
,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <span style=3D"font-family: =
Arial; font-size: small;" size=3D"2" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Arial; =
font-size: small;" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-w=
eight:bold">From:</span></b> Cullen McCann via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto=
:tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Tigers Den <<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</=
a>> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday,=
September 7, 2016 6:30 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:=
</span></b> [Tigers] Mk2 values<br> </span> </div> <div><div><div class=3D"=
aolmail_h5"><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear friends. I would like the list o=
pinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these days. We have all seen several come and=
go at auction in restored condition. I realize this question is so subject=
ive it's nearly impossible to answer. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">At least give me a Range. Assuming the following condition=
s are true:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Authentic mk2 tiger. <br>
No visible rust or collision damage. <br>
Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>
Hardtop included. <br>
Runs but does not drive. <br>
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <br>
Been in same family for 30 years. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">What's the least a person would expect to pay?<br>
What the most?<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks friends!!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cullen<br>
LROFE</div></div><br></div></div><span>______________________________<wbr>_=
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