I do the same and live in similar climate. I have no problems with Lucas in
general but I don't say no to a good option.
Kristian J
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Fren: "Ron Tebo" <mrtebo@telus.net>
Till: "KKJ" <kkj@privat.utfors.se>
Kopia: "alpines" <alpines@autox.team.net>
Skickat: den 24 mars 2003 21:06
Dmne: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
> Kristian:
>
> Although I hate to defend the "Prince of Darkness", I have to say that I
> have been abusing my early series starter for many years, and was so
> confident it would fail that I have an rebuilt unit all ready to go in!
> The reason for the abuse is that once or twice a month during the long
> winters (was minus 33 C here just over 2 weeks ago, and we won't plant
> until the end of May!) I start my Alpine and get it good and hot. The
> abuse is a result of deliberately not priming carbs or choking until the
> oil pressure comes up. I run the starter in 15-20 second bursts until I
> see pressure on the guage. This is hard on the starter but (I think)
> preserves the engine. It has been 18 years now, and still starts
> immediately when I choke it after the pressure appears.
>
> Ron Tebo - Series I - B9000627
>
> KKJ wrote:
> >
> > Still the modern starter are smaller and stronger.
> >
> > And that small bronze bearing that have to take the whole load. As an
>engineer I have an unpleasant feeling about this. And that is also an
>important argument!!
> >
> > It would be possibly to replace the bronze bearing with an roller bearing!
> >
> > The starter in my Imp 875 cc. is the same as in my 1725 engines and the
>starter is really spinning that engine, but its not "spinning" the 1725
>engine. Its more like "dragging it around"
> >
> > We have cold winters here.
> >
> > I think I have 15 old type ( sliding gear engage by movement) starters. two
>of them can be used (I hope) as reserve. Rest is junk. Bronze bearing and
>commutator bad. (why haven't I get rid of them?)
> > I also have 6 of the "solenoid engaged" from Hunters. They are OK every
>one. (Barrel commutator type). They seem to last better then the sliding gear.
> > Some of these Hunter starters are even bigger then the others. I don't know
>why.
> > The only disk commutator starter I have is from a Ford Cortina. On later
>Hunters and Avangers maybe??
> >
> > The modern starter electrical motors are spinning faster because they have
>a reduction gear and as a result the electrical motor are smaller (Sometimes
>even smaller then the solenoid sitting beside it.)
> > Of course Lucas and others could have done this in the -50 -60, but the
>production cost to make the reduction gear was probably to high at that time.
> >
> > Kristian J
> >
> > ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
> > Fren: "alkon" <alkon@bigpond.com>
> > Till: "hillmanlist" <hillman@can-inc.com>
> > Skickat: den 24 mars 2003 01:02
> > Dmne: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
> >
> > > This message forwarded by the Hillman List.
> > >
> > > All I can say is "Amen"
> > > My hotted up high compression
> > > (take 0.1" off head and see what you get for compression :-))
> > > Static compression tested at 175psi.
> > > Never had starter motor problems.
> > > Did have dead batteries 'cause I could never afford a decent one.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > 55 Californian
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jumpinjan" <jservaites@woh.rr.com>
> > > To: "KKJ" <kkj@privat.utfors.se>
> > > Cc: "alpine autox" <alpines@autox.team.net>; <hillman@can-inc.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 12:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't understand why people think new technology will work better if
> > > > you just get a good starter to begin with? I drove my Alpine, back in
> > > > the '70s, for many years and never had any starter problems (and I was
> > > > using 12.5:1 compression in my engine). I guess my recommendation is to
> > > > buy a rebuilt one from Rick at S.S. and be done with it.
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > >
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