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I like Playboy Bunnies...A Lot...They ARE fun...and...That's part of the =
whole Motor Racing Glamour...Old Movies like Grand Prix...LeMans...A Man =
and a Woman.....we had Umbrella Girls at the CSRG Charity Challenge 3 =
years ago...Wooohoo!..We laugh a lot in the pits during our CSRG =
Races...Our Gang has a Great Time...
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jim=20
To: 'Bill Babcock'=20
Cc: 'FOT'=20
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
Define "speed".
Is it the speed your car is capable of... your personal preference, or =
the normal speed of the run group?
If Steve was running around the track at some really reduced speed... =
yeah, he should move off line. But what's the legal definition? 10mph =
slower? 20? 30? Who defines that?
What's more important on a race course? A clear line? Or predicable =
drivers? What's safer?
Keeping in mind that the scenario is also an early morning warm up =
session. Do you pull full rev full bore racing moves in that scenario? =
Where do you race? So I can avoid those tracks?
Or did you read the original post at all? Going by too fast to read?
Or should I slow down my questions so you can understand?
Anyway... what's the ultimate goal of this mess? Corporate =
sponsorship and playboy bunnies? That was 30+ year ago. =20
We're just supposed to be out there having fun. =20
Cheers,
Jim
Dallas
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From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb@bnj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:14 PM
To: britbits@netzero.com
Cc: 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
Actually, it all comes down to whether or not you are at racing =
speed--your racing speed. You are not required or expected to move off =
the line if you are at speed. In fact it's a really bad idea. The =
overtaking drivers expect you to hold to your line, and he is =
responsible for managing the pass in a safe manner. What Steven was =
talking about is being on the line when he was NOT at racing speed, in =
other words, when he did not need to be there. And in any racing =
organization--vintage, SCCA or F1, you are NOT supposed to be on the =
line then. =20
Bedding your brakes and breaking your engine in on line is not safe =
nor is it wise driving. People coming up behind you may not be able to =
go where you point them. I wasn't there so I couldn't say, but I bet =
that guy didn't go into the dirt because he wanted to.=20
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Jim wrote:
I understand the intent....
When I went through my drivers school in a vintage race group, the =
understanding was that you "drove the line". If someone wanted to pass =
you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to make a safe pass.
Or is responsibility not a word to mention in this forum?
One of the other racers shared an anecdote of "moving off line" to =
allow easier passing.. and having a racer come in after that session and =
give him a new oriface for violating the basic rule.
When I was active in Vintage I was in a close cockpit car (Mini =
Cooper S) so giving hand signals was difficult. But my expectation was =
that if I was signalling right.. the overtaking car should use that =
information in order to make a safe pass.
I guess it's something that needs to be discussed with each vintage =
group and a consensus formed before racers go on track. If the rule is =
"stay on the line" then one set of rule apply. If it's "if you're not =
at speed pick a different line" that also needs to be agreed before cars =
hit the track.
It all comes down to communication.
Cheers,
Jim
Dallas
too many toys, not enough $$$
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From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] =
On Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:51 PM
To: britbits@netzero.com
Cc: 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
You may not like this answer, so here's your opportunity to delete =
before reading.=20
I, and I'll bet many other people in the FOT, have been in the =
"douchebag's position before, when some guy traveling at a speed that =
did NOT NEED to be at the line, pointed me by while I was traveling at =
full chat--and pointed me into a place I did not want to go. So my =
question is, if you were traveling that slowly, why were you "pretty =
close to the line"? The line is where you need to be when you need to be =
there, in other words, when you are at speed and it's the only safe way =
through a corner. If you are driving to the line, you don't need to be =
there. If the line is the only place that the laws of physics permit =
your car to be, then you do.=20
There's a reason why they say in any good driver's meeting "if you =
are not at racing speed, get off the line". Several years ago this guy =
who drove a car at what I considered 3/10s asked me why I always passed =
him so closely. I, and the entire race group, generally lapped him at =
least twice, sometimes three times. He was driving the line, precisely. =
Just where his driving instructor told him to drive. And he never =
deviated from the line. I considered him the most dangerous thing I =
would encounter in any day on the the track. I was thrilled when he quit =
"racing". In contrast, when you come up on a gaggle of FV's battling it =
out, they might be 20 MPH slower than you, but they need to be where =
they are. Nothing but respect for that, lift and wait.=20
If you aren't at the limit, then you are blocking the only safe path =
through the course at speed. the guys who are coming up behind you can't =
tuck in behind and wait for you to finish a corner--they'd have to stand =
on their brakes to do that, and that's dangerous in any racing =
condition. As Burt Levy might say, the other driver was to blame, but =
you are responsible.=20
We really DO call this racing. Vintage events are car shows with =
picnics. Vintage races are races. If you are not at racing speed you =
don't belong anywhere near the racing line.=20
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:
Steven,
Unfortunately they use the "r" word when describing vintage =
events... so
some of the "kids" who loved Pole Position or the different PC =
games feel
they need to drive like a jerk to be a "racer". Or maybe they saw =
"Days of
Thunder" once too often ;)
Aside from keeping an eye on the mirrors, it's probably not a bad =
idea to
install an in car camera. Next time.. grab an official and show =
them the
video. It's kind of hard to argue against a video.
Cheers,
Jim
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:24 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
Speaking of dangerous driving situations, two weekends ago I =
raced at
Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had new brakes that needed bedding. =
This meant I
needed to heat up my brakes in the first practice session, let =
them cool so
I could have good braking power for the rest of the weekend. I =
was in the
first group so at 8:30am, I told the proper official-type guys =
what I needed
to do and started in the back. I'm also running a fresh engine =
and feeling
that out as well. Anyway, after about 3 or 4 laps I'm just about =
done
bedding the brakes and I'm about to get lapped. This is the first =
"Warm-up"
session of the weekend. A red 2002 is approaching me and I waved =
him to the
left and moved to the right a little bit, while staying pretty =
close to the
line. Next thing I know the guy is passing me on the right ON THE =
DIRT at
full speed. He re-entered the track, got a little squirrelly, =
threw some
rocks onto my car and kept going. This guy was racing hard with a =
yellow
P1800 and not letting up one bit. He didn't want to sacrifice his =
lap time
when overtaking me. The level of aggression took me by surprise =
and made me
angry. It was, after all the morning warm-up and I truly did my =
best to get
my job done safely and get off =20
the race track. I tell my friends and family, when they ask if =
it's =20
dangerous, "You see, it's a gentlemen's sport and there's no prize =
money."
I would say that most of the drivers are safe and respectful of =
their
machines and their abilities but all it takes is one douchebag =
move and
you're in big trouble.
~SB
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<A title=3Dbritbits@netzero.com =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3DBillb@bnj.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'FOT'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, =
2008 9:24=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Bedding =
Brakes,=20
dangerous driving</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Define "speed".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Is it the speed your car is capable of... =
your personal=20
preference, or the normal speed of the run group?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If Steve was running around the track at some =
really=20
reduced speed... yeah, he should move off line. But what's the =
legal=20
definition? 10mph slower? 20? 30? Who defines=20
that?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>What's more important on a race =
course? A=20
clear line? Or predicable drivers? What's=20
safer?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Keeping in mind that the scenario is also an =
early=20
morning warm up session. Do you pull full rev full bore racing =
moves in=20
that scenario? Where do you race? So I can avoid those=20
tracks?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Or did you read the original post at =
all? Going by=20
too fast to read?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Or should I slow down my questions so you can =
understand?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Anyway... what's the ultimate goal of this =
mess? =20
Corporate sponsorship and playboy bunnies? That was 30+ year =
ago. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>We're just supposed to be out there having =
fun. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D000231504-26092008><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Dallas</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Bill Babcock =
[mailto:Billb@bnj.com]=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
britbits@netzero.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'FOT'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] =
Bedding=20
Brakes, dangerous driving<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Actually, it all comes down to whether or not you are at =
racing=20
speed--your racing speed. You are not required or expected to move off =
the=20
line if you are at speed. In fact it's a really bad idea. The =
overtaking=20
drivers expect you to hold to your line, and he is responsible for =
managing=20
the pass in a safe manner. What Steven was talking about is being on =
the line=20
when he was NOT at racing speed, in other words, when he did not need =
to be=20
there. And in any racing organization--vintage, SCCA or F1, you are =
NOT=20
supposed to be on the line then. =20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bedding your brakes and breaking your engine in on line is not =
safe nor=20
is it wise driving. People coming up behind you may not be able to go =
where=20
you point them. I wasn't there so I couldn't say, but I bet that guy =
didn't go=20
into the dirt because he wanted to. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Jim wrote:</DIV><BR=20
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
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style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I understand the =
intent....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>When I went through my drivers school in a =
vintage race=20
group, the understanding was that you "drove the line". If =
someone=20
wanted to pass you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to make a safe =
pass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Or is responsibility not a word to mention =
in this=20
forum?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>One of the other racers shared an anecdote =
of "moving=20
off line" to allow easier passing.. and having a racer come in after =
that=20
session and give him a new oriface for violating the basic=20
rule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>When I was active in Vintage I was in a =
close cockpit=20
car (Mini Cooper S) so giving hand signals was =
difficult. But my=20
expectation was that if I was signalling right.. the overtaking car =
should=20
use that information in order to make a safe =
pass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I guess it's something that needs to be =
discussed with=20
each vintage group and a consensus formed before racers go on =
track. =20
If the rule is "stay on the line" then one set of rule =
apply. If=20
it's "if you're not at speed pick a different line" that also needs =
to be=20
agreed before cars hit the track.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It all comes down to =
communication.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Dallas</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>too many toys, not enough =
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill Babcock<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September =
25,=20
2008 10:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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B>=20
'FOT'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous=20
driving<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>You may not like this answer, so here's your opportunity =
to=20
delete before reading.=20
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<DIV>I, and I'll bet many other people in the FOT, have been in the=20
"douchebag's position before, when some guy traveling at a speed =
that did=20
NOT NEED to be at the line, pointed me by while I was traveling at =
full=20
chat--and pointed me into a place I did not want to go. So my =
question is,=20
if you were traveling that slowly, why were you "pretty =
close to=20
the line"? The line is where you need to be when you need to be =
there, in=20
other words, when you are at speed and it's the only safe way =
through a=20
corner. If you are <SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline">driving</SPAN> to the line, you =
don't=20
need to be there. If the line is the only place that the laws of =
physics=20
permit your car to be, then you do. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>There's a reason why they say in any good driver's meeting "if =
you are=20
not at racing speed, get off the line". Several years ago this guy =
who drove=20
a car at what I considered 3/10s asked me why I always passed him so =
closely. I, and the entire race group, generally lapped him at least =
twice,=20
sometimes three times. He was driving the line, precisely. Just =
where his=20
driving instructor told him to drive. And he never deviated from the =
line. I=20
considered him the most dangerous thing I would encounter in any day =
on the=20
the track. I was thrilled when he quit "racing". In contrast, when =
you come=20
up on a gaggle of FV's battling it out, they might be 20 MPH slower =
than=20
you, but they need to be where they are. Nothing =
but respect for=20
that, lift and wait. </DIV>
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<DIV>If you aren't at the limit, then you are blocking the only safe =
path=20
through the course at speed. the guys who are coming up behind you =
can't=20
tuck in behind and wait for you to finish a corner--they'd have to =
stand on=20
their brakes to do that, and that's dangerous in any racing =
condition. As=20
Burt Levy might say, the other driver was to blame, but you are=20
responsible. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We really DO call this racing. Vintage events are car shows =
with=20
picnics. Vintage races are races. If you are not at racing speed you =
don't=20
belong anywhere near the racing line. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV>Steven,<BR><BR>Unfortunately they use the "r" word when =
describing=20
vintage events... so<BR>some of the "kids" who loved Pole Position =
or the=20
different PC games feel<BR>they need to drive like a jerk to be a =
"racer".=20
Or maybe they saw "Days of<BR>Thunder" once too often=20
;)<BR><BR>Aside from keeping an eye on the mirrors, it's probably =
not a=20
bad idea to<BR>install an in car camera. Next time.. grab an =
official and show them the<BR>video. It's kind of hard to =
argue=20
against a=20
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video.<BR><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Jim<BR>Dallas<BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
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On<BR>Behalf Of Steven Belfer<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 25, =
2008 6:24=20
PM<BR>To: FOT<BR>Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous=20
driving<BR><BR>Speaking of dangerous driving situations, two =
weekends ago I raced at<BR>Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had new =
brakes=20
that needed bedding. This meant I<BR>needed to heat up my =
brakes in=20
the first practice session, let them cool so<BR>I could have good =
braking=20
power for the rest of the weekend. I was in the<BR>first =
group so at=20
8:30am, I told the proper official-type guys what I needed<BR>to =
do and=20
started in the back. I'm also running a fresh engine and=20
feeling<BR>that out as well. Anyway, after about 3 or 4 laps =
I'm=20
just about done<BR>bedding the brakes and I'm about to get lapped. =
This is the first "Warm-up"<BR>session of the weekend. =
A red=20
2002 is approaching me and I waved him to the<BR>left and moved to =
the=20
right a little bit, while staying pretty close to the<BR>line. =
Next=20
thing I know the guy is passing me on the right ON THE DIRT =
at<BR>full=20
speed. He re-entered the track, got a little squirrelly, threw=20
some<BR>rocks onto my car and kept going. This guy was =
racing hard=20
with a yellow<BR>P1800 and not letting up one bit. He didn't =
want to=20
sacrifice his lap time<BR>when overtaking me. The level of=20
aggression took me by surprise and made me<BR>angry. It was, =
after=20
all the morning warm-up and I truly did my best to get<BR>my job =
done=20
safely and get off <BR>the race track. I tell my =
friends=20
and family, when they ask if it's <BR>dangerous, "You see, =
it's a=20
gentlemen's sport and there's no prize money."<BR>I would say that =
most of=20
the drivers are safe and respectful of their<BR>machines and their =
abilities but all it takes is one douchebag move and<BR>you're in =
big=20
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