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Even better, in the latest 123-ignition you can program any advance 
curve you want using a lap top, so ideal if you have a tuned engine.
Kees Oudesluijs


Simon Lachlan schreef op 4-6-2015 om 13:20:
>
> Not 100% sure what you mean by â??the advance curves are retainedâ??. In 
> the 123 you can choose your advance curve.
>
> And Iâ??m sure one of the built in choice approximates to the original.
>
> And yes(!), I too have a complete Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct 
> rotor arm, decent old Champion plug caps, bumble bee copper wire. 
> Fitted with a Pertronix. Points also carried on longer expeditions. 
> Belt and braces!!
>
> Simon
>
> *From:*Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 07:33
> *To:* Simon Lachlan
> *Cc:* Bob Spidell; Healey list
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
> The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are 
> retained and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the 
> boot is easy for a backup. I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full 
> lucas dizzy with attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.  
> Call me strange.
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan 
> wrote:
>
> Or get a 123Ignition distributor.
>
> Simon
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net 
> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 06:09
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
> Agree across-the-board.   Had same problem with suppressor wires; 
> installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.
>
>
>
> re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics."   
> Why?  Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning for headaches?  I 
> know Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree with the points 
> recommendation.  Name a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K mile 
> tuneups--that recommends points?  Have (probably) 80K miles on 
> Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires--with no ignition 
> issues (save the occasional well-known bad rotor).  If you like 
> changing points every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to 
> every ignition problem.
>
> You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one), stranded 
> copper wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good 
> plugs, and a quality rotor.
>
> Bob
>
> On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>
>     If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard
>     Lucas cap, you can have huge problems, as the graphite type
>     materials they use in these don't like connecting to the screw
>     connector in the Lucas cap .  You need to use metal core wires,
>     such as bumble bee wire.
>
>     Also did you check distributor shaft wobble?  If your dizzy bushes
>     are worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also be having
>     similar problems.
>
>     Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make
>     sure it is all kosher.
>
>     On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay
>
>     Took the BJ8 out today. Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a
>     visible spark last night).  The car struggled big time  Had to
>     change rotors every 3 miles in order to get the car home. Driving
>     along and all of a sudden backfire, black smoke, nothing.  Changed
>     the rotor (it was noticeably hot) and got another 2 or 3 miles out
>     of it.  Looked tonight in the dark and the visible spark from
>     number 6 plug was not there.  Talked to Jeff with Advanced
>     Distributors and he suggested it was plug wires.  Strongly
>     suggested I install points instead of the Petronics.  At his
>     suggestion, I checked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they
>     checked out OK.  Still wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add
>     a product called â??Heat.â??  Supposed to absorb any water that may be
>     in the gas tank.  Not much help, so far.
>
>     Iâ??m waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss
>     Motors to show up to install them.  Hope that helps but not really
>     convinced itâ??s the solution.
>
>     Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?
>
>     Price Lindsay
>     67 BJ8
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Even better, in the latest 123-ignition
      you can program any advance curve you want using a lap top, so
      ideal if you have a tuned engine.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Simon Lachlan schreef op 4-6-2015 om 13:20:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Not 100% sure what you mean by â??the
            advance curves are retainedâ??. In the 123 you can choose your
            advance curve.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> And Iâ??m sure one of the built in
            choice approximates to the original.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>And yes(!), I too have a complete
            Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct rotor arm, decent old
            Champion plug caps, bumble bee copper wire. Fitted with a
            Pertronix. Points also carried on longer expeditions. Belt
            and braces!!</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Simon</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
              lang="EN-US"> Alan Seigrist [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com";>mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com</a>]
              <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 07:33<br>
              <b>To:</b> Simon Lachlan<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Bob Spidell; Healey list<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is
            the advance curves are retained and also if your pertronix
            does fry, keeping points in the boot is easy for a backup. 
            I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full lucas dizzy with
            attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.  Call me
            strange.</p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon
              Lachlan &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk";
                target="_blank">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>&gt;
              wrote:</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Or get a 123Ignition
                    distributor.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Simon</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span 
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 06:09<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Missing under 
Load</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Agree across-the-board.   Had same
                  problem with suppressor wires; installed copper
                  stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.</p>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      <br>
                      re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead
                      of the Petronics."   Why?  Does he recommend
                      blood-letting and trepanning for headaches?  I
                      know Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree
                      with the points recommendation.  Name a modern
                      manufacturer--they of the 100K mile tuneups--that
                      recommends points?  Have (probably) 80K miles on
                      Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded
                      wires--with no ignition issues (save the
                      occasional well-known bad rotor).  If you like
                      changing points every 5K miles, fine, but it's not
                      the solution to every ignition problem.<br>
                      <br>
                      You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can
                      find one), stranded copper wire secondary wires,
                      OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs, and a
                      quality rotor.<br>
                      <br>
                      Bob</p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan
                        Seigrist wrote:</p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">If you are running
                          suppressed modern wires into your standard
                          Lucas cap, you can have huge problems, as the
                          graphite type materials they use in these
                          don't like connecting to the screw connector
                          in the Lucas cap .  You need to use metal core
                          wires, such as bumble bee wire. </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Also did you check
                            distributor shaft wobble?  If your dizzy
                            bushes are worn, and you have excessive
                            wobble, you could also be having similar
                            problems.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Lastly, check internal
                            wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make
                            sure it is all kosher.</p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at
                            9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay &lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com";
                              target="_blank">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Took the BJ8 out today. 
                            Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a
                            visible spark last night).  The car
                            struggled big time  Had to change rotors
                            every 3 miles in order to get the car home. 
                            Driving along and all of a sudden backfire,
                            black smoke, nothing.  Changed the rotor (it
                            was noticeably hot) and got another 2 or 3
                            miles out of it.  Looked tonight in the dark
                            and the visible spark from number 6 plug was
                            not there.  Talked to Jeff with Advanced
                            Distributors and he suggested it was plug
                            wires.  Strongly suggested I install points
                            instead of the Petronics.  At his
                            suggestion, I checked the ohm reading on the
                            plug wires and they checked out OK.  Still
                            wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add
                            a product called â??Heat.â??  Supposed to absorb
                            any water that may be in the gas tank.  Not
                            much help, so far.<br>
                            <br>
                            Iâ??m waiting for the plug wires and
                            distributor cap from Moss Motors to show up
                            to install them.  Hope that helps but not
                            really convinced itâ??s the solution.<br>
                            <br>
                            Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?<br>
                            <br>
                            Price Lindsay<br>
                            67 BJ8</p>
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