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Hi Roger,
If you read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels
you will note that there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow
the self tightening function to work.
I suspect that the play that you are noticing is actually part of the
design.
Michael S
BN1 3174
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
> Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm
> Now installed 2 new spinners.
> Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.
> So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.
> Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I think
> that I should have to.
> Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the splines.
> To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub
> splines from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science
> project out of it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines
> as MWS say they manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.
>
> However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the
> wheels/splines.
> I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there is
> no free play and little wear.
> So question is how does tightening the spinner reduce the play between the
> splines ??
> Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is
> what causes the wear ?
> My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger part
> in torque transmission than we think.
>
> Any ideas ??
> rg
>
>
> *From:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM
> *To:* Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
> *Cc:* Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
>
> Hi Roger,
> I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you
> are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and
> removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory
> about slight interference on the spline did not hold water.
> Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on
> the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and
> require about 1/2 a turn of tightening
> Please let me know if you figure out the cause..
> BTW good video about making wire wheels here.
> http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/
>
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> I have just installed new MWS 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA
>> made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug nuts.
>> I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the
>> spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.
>> What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.
>> I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of
>> the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.
>> Switched front to back spinners and no change.
>> Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in
>> Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with a
>> different taper .. ?
>> Anyone had similar issues ??
>>
>> As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me that
>> torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between
>> the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when the
>> spinner is tightened .. ??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Roger,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">If yo=
u read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels you w=
ill note that there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow the se=
lf tightening function to work. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I suspect that t=
he play that you are noticing is actually part of the design.<br><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 3174<br></div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, =
2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:roggra=
ce@telus.net" target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000=
000">
<div>Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm</div>
<div>Now installed 2 new spinners.</div>
<div>Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.</div>
<div>So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.</div>
<div>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I th=
ink=20
that I should have to.</div>
<div>Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the spli=
nes.=20
To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub splin=
es=20
from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science project ou=
t of=20
it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines as MWS say they=
=20
manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the=20
wheels/splines.</div>
<div>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there =
is no=20
free play and little wear.<br>So question is how does tightening the spinne=
r=20
reduce the play between the splines ??</div>
<div>Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is=
what=20
causes the wear ?</div>
<div>My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger p=
art=20
in torque transmission than we think. </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Any ideas ??</div>
<div>rg</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibr=
i";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"michaelsalter@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:micha=
elsalter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"roggrace@telus.net" href=3D"mailto:roggrace@tel=
us.net" target=3D"_blank">Roger Grace</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Healey List</a> </div><span class=3D"">
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels</div></span></div></d=
iv>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibr=
i";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">=
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Hi=20
Roger,<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">I have=20
encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you are not=
=20
alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and removing=
the=20
KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory about slight=20
interference on the spline did not hold water. <br>Never really found a cau=
se=20
and it went away after the wheels were run on the road for a while after wh=
ich=20
the KO nut would spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn of tightening=
=20
<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Please let me=20
know if you figure out the cause..<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">BTW good video=20
about making wire wheels here.<br><a href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-=
to-make-wire-wheels/" target=3D"_blank">http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-ma=
ke-wire-wheels/</a><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Michael=20
S<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">BN1 #174=20
<br></div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
roggrace@telus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
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00000">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline=
">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#0=
00000">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#0=
00000">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline=
">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#0=
00000">
<div>I have just installed new MWS=C2=A0 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Mo=
ss=20
(USA made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug=
=20
nuts.</div>
<div>I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of th=
e=20
spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.</div>
<div>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.</di=
v>
<div>I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the insid=
e of=20
the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.</div>
<div>Switched front to back spinners and no change.</div>
<div>Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in</div>
<div>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners wit=
h a=20
different taper .. ?</div>
<div>Anyone had similar issues ??</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me th=
at=20
torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between =
the=20
wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when the=
=20
spinner is tightened .. ??</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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