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Huge mistake=E2=80=A6. Keep the splines lubricated=E2=80=A6 I use =
anti-seize compound. It is important for two reasons: 1 to keep water =
from getting into the area (if you don=E2=80=99t lubricate, water can =
get into the areas between the wheel hub and the splines. And 2. You =
want to be sure the wheel can be extracted from the hub at later =
times=E2=80=A6. DO NOT OMIT LUBRICATION on the rear cones=E2=80=A6. It =
isn=E2=80=99t about =E2=80=9Cmovement=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6 it is about =
excluding water from the surfaces involved=E2=80=A6.
=20
Enjoy your Healey =E2=80=A6 J
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=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger =
Grace
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 6:54 PM
To: J. Armour; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
=20
All good points and noted.
I am now of the opinion that when the spline play appears to be reduced =
by tightening the knock on it is really just clamping it against the =
rear cone. This surely must be a good thing eliminating the play and =
providing some resistance before the splines come into play. So, =
notwithstanding what Dave said about grease I will keep the rear cones =
dry. There should be no movement so need for any lubrication. The =
splines only should be greased to to prevent sticking. See link to MWS =
site on this topic.
Also to assist tightening the knock nut, on will grease the outside cone =
lightly.=20
rg
=20
http://www.mwsint.com/site/cms/contentCategoryView.asp?category=3D214
=20
=20
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:17 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net=20
Subject: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
=20
Blokes
I firmly believe that only the splines do the transmission of =
acceleration and braking torque. The knock-off clamps the wheel in place =
and the two cones within the wheel hub/splines centralises the wheel. I =
once had a knock-off come off and the wheel still turned with the hub =
and slowed under braking.
Splines require the minimum of clearance to eliminate the fretting =
caused when the wheel rocks back and forward on the hub. You can =
purchase an anti-fretting grease.
I agree that it is almost impossible to eliminate clearance within the =
the spline to spline fit otherwise we would not be able to remove them =
easily.
A loose knock-off allows the wheel to become off centre and then with =
each rotation the wheel will 'walk' or rotate on a different centre to =
the hub/axle centre. The splines with their clearance will not keep the =
wheel centralised due to the built in clearance. This will create =
excessive wear on both sets of splines.
I also agree that the Left and Right hand thread system is to =
counter-act wheels coming loose but I find it hard to accept that this =
system will tighten an already loose knock-off. It is also important to =
tighten wheels with NO weight on them that is with the wheel raised off =
the ground. This allows the wheel to easily centralise on the =
cones/tapers before final hammer tightening. Remember if you do not have =
a flat spot on the top of the splines you have worn or badly made =
splines. Also it is unwise to expect a long life from the splines when =
new are fitted to old (worn)
The manufacturing process of the axle hub =E2=80=93 machined, and the =
softer wheel centre hub splines maybe made with a broaching process =
raises the question of which component will be manufactured more =
accurately. Their fit and clearance is critical to their life. Material =
hardness is also important and lubrication adds value.
Over the years I have seen some radical home-made fixes for worn splines =
down to no splines.
Your comments
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Huge mistake=E2=80=A6. Keep the splines lubricated=E2=80=A6 I use =
anti-seize compound.=C2=A0 It is important for two reasons:=C2=A0 1 to =
keep water from getting into the area (if you don=E2=80=99t lubricate, =
water can get into the areas between the wheel hub and the splines. And =
2.=C2=A0 You want to be sure the wheel can be extracted from the hub at =
later times=E2=80=A6. DO NOT OMIT LUBRICATION on the rear =
cones=E2=80=A6. It isn=E2=80=99t about =E2=80=9Cmovement=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=A6 it is about excluding water from the surfaces =
involved=E2=80=A6.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Enjoy your Healey =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><s=
pan =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>-skip-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Roger Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 09, 2015 6:54 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> J. Armour; healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>All good points and =
noted.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I am now of the =
opinion that when the spline play appears to be reduced by tightening =
the knock on it is really just clamping it against the rear cone. This =
surely must be a good thing eliminating the play and providing some =
resistance before the splines come into play. So, notwithstanding what =
Dave said about grease I will keep the rear cones dry. There should be =
no movement so need for any lubrication. The splines only should be =
greased to to prevent sticking. See link to MWS site on this =
topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Also to assist =
tightening the knock nut, on will grease the outside cone lightly. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>rg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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214" =
title=3D"http://www.mwsint.com/site/cms/contentCategoryView.asp?category=3D=
214">http://www.mwsint.com/site/cms/contentCategoryView.asp?category=3D21=
4</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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From:</span></b><span =
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<a href=3D"mailto:sebring3000@bigpond.com"; =
title=3D"sebring3000@bigpond.com">J. Armour</a> =
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To:</span></b><span =
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<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
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<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
[Healeys] Splines and =
Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Blokes<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I firmly =
believe that only the splines do the transmission of acceleration and =
braking torque. The knock-off clamps the wheel in place and the two =
cones within the wheel hub/splines centralises the wheel. I once had a =
knock-off come off and the wheel still turned with the hub and slowed =
under braking.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Splines require =
the minimum of clearance to eliminate the fretting caused when the wheel =
rocks back and forward on the hub. You can purchase an anti-fretting =
grease.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I agree that it =
is almost impossible to eliminate clearance within the the spline to =
spline fit otherwise we would not be able to remove them =
easily.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>A loose =
knock-off allows the wheel to become off centre and then with each =
rotation the wheel will 'walk' or rotate on a different centre to the =
hub/axle centre. The splines with their clearance will not keep the =
wheel centralised due to the built in clearance. This will create =
excessive wear on both sets of =
splines.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I also agree =
that the Left and Right hand thread system is to counter-act wheels =
coming loose but I find it hard to accept that this system will tighten =
an already loose knock-off. It is also important to tighten wheels with =
NO weight on them that is with the wheel raised off the ground. This =
allows the wheel to easily centralise on the cones/tapers before final =
hammer tightening. Remember if you do not have a flat spot on the top of =
the splines you have worn or badly made splines. Also it is unwise to =
expect a long life from the splines when new are fitted to old =
(worn)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The =
manufacturing process of the axle hub =E2=80=93 machined, and the softer =
wheel centre hub splines maybe made with a broaching process raises the =
question of which component will be manufactured more accurately. Their =
fit and clearance is critical to their life. Material hardness is also =
important and lubrication adds value.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Over the years =
I have seen some radical home-made fixes for worn splines down to no =
splines.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Your =
comments<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
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