This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--===============5398953353225947706==
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DE_01D2376D.1F017D80"
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01DE_01D2376D.1F017D80
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it =
is one of my Winter projects.
Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=92t last =
(have no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil =
pressure on the joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate goo =
that will last and contain the oil.
Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by =
some shops that fix OD=92s.
Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals =
were sealed with a product called Wellseal.
Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its =
website blurb.
BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint =
that seems like a good idea ?
The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a =
gasket. I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when =
have my hands on them. Has anyone had a problem with the mating =
flatness ? do they have a tendency to warp over the years and maybe =
abuse too ? given the shape not easy to machine flat - why do they leak =
?
Comments/ideas please.
rg
From: David Porter=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM
To: Bob Spidell ; John Spaur=20
Cc: healeys=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal =
pressure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above =
the operating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on the shaft.
DaveP adding to the wisdom....
On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
From: "John Spaur" mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
To: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com, "healeys" =
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
In my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that =
joint.
John Spaur
San Jose
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
=85disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. =
There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the =
joint faces to stop the leak.=20
_______________________________________________
=20
_______________________________________________
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Healeys@autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/frogeye@porterscustom.com
--=20
Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM =
87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/=20
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------
_______________________________________________
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Healeys@autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace@telus.net
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2015.0.6201 / Virus Database: 4664/13278 - Release Date: =
10/26/16
------=_NextPart_000_01DE_01D2376D.1F017D80
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type></HEAD>
<BODY dir=3Dltr text=3D#000000 bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: =
#000000">
<DIV>Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and =
fixing it is=20
one of my Winter projects.</DIV>
<DIV>Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=92t =
last (have=20
no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil pressure on =
the=20
joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate goo that will last =
and=20
contain the oil.</DIV>
<DIV>Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is =
used by=20
some shops that fix OD=92s.</DIV>
<DIV>Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the =
originals=20
were sealed with a product called Wellseal.</DIV>
<DIV>Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in =
its=20
website blurb.</DIV>
<DIV>BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this =
joint that=20
seems like a good idea ?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a =
gasket.=20
I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when have my =
hands on=20
them. Has anyone had a problem with the mating flatness ? do =
they=20
have a tendency to warp over the years and maybe abuse too ? given the =
shape not=20
easy to machine flat - why do they leak ?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Comments/ideas please.</DIV>
<DIV>rg</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dfrogeye@porterscustom.com>David Porter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dbspidell@comcast.net>Bob Spidell</A> ; <A=20
title=3Djmsdarch@sbcglobal.net>John Spaur</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net>healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<P>seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no =
internal=20
pressure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above =
the=20
operating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on the shaft.</P>
<P>DaveP adding to the wisdom....<BR></P><BR>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
cite=3Dmid:1925088485.29171543.1477489233889.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net =
type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #000000">
<DIV>Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<HR id=3Dzwchr>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
helvetica,arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; =
FONT-STYLE: normal"><B>From:=20
</B>"John Spaur" <A=20
=
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E>mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</A><BR><B>To:=
=20
</B>"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E>mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com</A>, "healeys" <A =
=
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E>mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Sen=
t:=20
</B>Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: =
[Healeys]=20
Overdrive Question<BR>
<DIV> </DIV>
<STYLE><!--
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
p.msonormal, li.msonormal, div.msonormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
a:link, span.msohyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:#0563c1;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.msohyperlinkfollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:#954f72;
text-decoration:underline;}
p
{mso-style-priority:99;
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
span.emailstyle18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:#1f497d;}
.msochpdefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page wordsection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.wordsection1
{page:wordsection1;}
--></STYLE>
<DIV class=3DWordSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>In=20
my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that=20
joint.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>John=20
Spaur</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>San=20
Jose</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'></SPAN> </P>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BORDER-TOP: #e1e1e1 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; =
PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
[<A=20
=
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>] =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 23, =
2016 8:26=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated>healeys@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Subject=
:</B>=20
[Healeys] Overdrive Question</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal> </P>
<DIV id=3Ddivtagdefaultwrapper>
<P><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>=85</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>disassembly =
of the OD=20
because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, =
but I=20
would like to smear some Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak.=20
=
</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV><BR>______________________________________________=
_<BR>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV><BR>
<FIELDSET class=3DmimeAttachmentHeader></FIELDSET> <BR><PRE =
wrap=3D"">_______________________________________________
href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html";>http://www.team.net/donate.html<=
/A>
Archive: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive";>http://www.team.net/archive</A>
Forums: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/forums";>http://www.team.net/forums</A>
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated>Healeys@autox.team.net</A>
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys";>http://autox.team=
.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</A>
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/frogeye@porterscust=
om.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/frogeye@porterscust=
om.com</A>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-signature>-- <BR>Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles =
2909 Arno St.=20
NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world <A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated=20
href=3D"http://www.porterbikes.com/";>www.porterbikes.com/</A> </DIV>
<P>
<HR>
_______________________________________________<BR>Support Team.Net=20
$12.75<BR>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive<BR>Forums:=20
http://www.team.net/forums<BR><BR>Healeys@autox.team.net<BR>http://autox.=
team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys<BR><BR>Unsubscribe/Manage:=20
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace@telus.net<BR><BR>
<P>
<HR>
<A></A>
<P align=3Dleft avgcert?? color=3D"#000000">No virus found in this=20
message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A=20
href=3D"http://www.avg.com";>www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2015.0.6201 / =
Virus=20
Database: 4664/13278 - Release Date:=20
10/26/16</P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><=
/DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY><=
/HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_01DE_01D2376D.1F017D80--
--===============5398953353225947706==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
_______________________________________________
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Healeys@autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys
--===============5398953353225947706==--
|