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I wonder if clamping and unclamping over a long period of usage (like 60 ye=
ars) might cause the mating surfaces to gradually distort, which might begi=
n to allow some seepage.
Oh well I'm going to go through and replace all the seals and o-rings and g=
enerally clean up the unit and when I rebuild it I'll put some sealant, pro=
bably Hylomar, on the mating surfaces and see if it helps. The seepage isn'=
t anything catastrophic anyway.
I found the answer to the question I originally asked and it appears that t=
he brake surface only moves about 0.080" to engage and that won't be enough=
clearance to clean the surfaces and and apply the sealant. So a full teard=
own will be required.
Thanks again to everyone for your responses.
Bill Lawrence
BN1#554
________________________________
From: michael.salter@gmail.com <michael.salter@gmail.com> on behalf of Mich=
ael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:49:11 PM
To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
Cc: Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
"The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces might b=
e a more likely source."
This statement had me wondering as it sounded like quite a plausible explan=
ation for the leakage issue that people are experiencing at the overdrive c=
lutch ring joint however, sadly, if one studies where the hydraulic pressur=
es are applied in the overdrive unit it becomes quite apparent that the hyd=
raulic forces serve to pull the clutch ring in toward the forward casing of=
the overdrive during overdrive operation which makes the joint tighter.
During "normal" non overdrive operation the 8 springs in the unit do tend t=
o push the rear housing away from the clutch ring but that force is not tha=
t great as it is only required, by way of the cone clutch, to overcome over=
run loads. Probably less than 150 lbs.
All that said however I can certainly understand what Andy is saying about =
the likelihood of leakage occurring when the joint is assembled dry as per =
the Workshop Manual..
Installing gasket(s) between the casings and the clutch ring will affect th=
e sunwheel end float which is specified as 0.008" to 0.014" but adding a th=
icker end float adjusting washer could take care of that, if you can find a=
n appropriate one.
I would imagine that sparing use of sealant alone would have little or no e=
ffect on the end float.
Michael S
BN1 #174
YNOTINK@msn.com>> wrote:
Hmmm! sorry for opening a can of worms, but I've found the responses very e=
nlightening. On the topic of stress inducing the leaks due to the position =
of the hold-back link I took a look at my transmission/OD (BN1) and the hol=
dback is attached to the trans to OD adapter plate. I suppose it might be a=
problem for the later models if the holdback is located on the rear OD hou=
sing, but there shouldn't be any stress from that source at the brake ring =
location for the BN1.
The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces might be=
a more likely source.
Bill Lawrence
BN1#554
________________________________
us.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:04:24 PM
To: Michael Salter; Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
Tks to all for good input.
Wondering if anyone has thoughts why factory never installed a gasket at th=
is flange joint ?
Any negatives about retro-fitting one after 50 years ?
rg
From: Michael Salter
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
Out of interest I just did the calculations for the change in length of the=
studs in this case.
Assuming:
4 x 5/16" dia studs with an effective diameter of 0.25" each (thread root) =
and a length of 3" (in actual fact only the bottom pair are that long).
0.8 G of braking (which is probably way higher than our tires can generate)
Young's Modulus of 30,000,000 @ 100 degrees F
700 lbs of engine and gearbox (which is probably very high considering that=
the the mounts are all rubber and the main engine mounts would absorb a fa=
ir bit as well)
Works out to about 0.00028" of stretch.
That's less than 10% of a human hair and only during panic braking if the t=
ie rod is the only thing resisting the load.
I think that there must be other contributing factors...
Michael S
BN1 #174
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bluehealey <bluehealey@gmail.com> wrote:
Team.
I can agree that a good goo between the mating faces is important and the J=
apanese Motorcycle manufacturers will probably have the solution nailed. T=
he root cause however isn=92t necessarily pressure, flange flatness, or goo=
failure.
It is more likely that the rear reaction strut (not sure what else to call =
it) causes the joint to flex a little and open every time the car slows und=
er braking. My theory and the solution I adopted can be found here:
http://www.bluehealey.com/Struts.html
No leaks from my gearbox.
AlanB
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From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Gr=
ace
Sent: 05 November 2016 21:02
To: David Porter; Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it is=
one of my Winter projects.
Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=92t last (have=
no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil pressure on t=
he joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate goo that will last =
and contain the oil.
Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by so=
me shops that fix OD=92s.
Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals wer=
e sealed with a product called Wellseal.
Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its websit=
e blurb.
BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint that s=
eems like a good idea ?
The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a gasket.=
I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when have my han=
ds on them. Has anyone had a problem with the mating flatness ? do they h=
ave a tendency to warp over the years and maybe abuse too ? given the shape=
not easy to machine flat - why do they leak ?
Comments/ideas please.
rg
From: David Porter
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM
To: Bob Spidell ; John Spaur
Cc: healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal pr=
essure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above the o=
perating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on the shaft.
DaveP adding to the wisdom....
On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?
________________________________
From: "John Spaur" mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
To: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com, "healeys" mailto:healeys@a=
utox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
In my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that joint=
.
John Spaur
San Jose
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WILLIAM =
B LAWRENCE
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
=85disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. Ther=
e are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the joint faces=
to stop the leak.
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<p>I wonder if clamping and unclamping over a long period of usage (like 60=
years) might cause the mating surfaces to gradually distort, which mi=
ght begin to allow some seepage.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Oh well I'm going to go through and replace all the seals and o-rings an=
d generally clean up the unit and when I rebuild it I'll put some sealant, =
probably Hylomar, on the mating surfaces and see if it helps. The seepage i=
sn't anything catastrophic anyway.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I found the answer to the question I originally asked and it appears tha=
t the brake surface only moves about 0.080" to engage and that won't b=
e enough clearance to clean the surfaces and and apply the sealant. So=
a full teardown will be required.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks again to everyone for your responses.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Bill Lawrence</p>
<p>BN1#554</p>
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com <michael.salter@gmail.com> on behalf of Michael Salter <michae=
lsalter@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:49:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Healey List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</font>
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<i>"The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces=
might be a more likely source."</i><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">
This statement had me wondering as it sounded like quite a plausible explan=
ation for the leakage issue that people are experiencing at the overdrive c=
lutch ring joint however, sadly, if one studies where the hydraulic pressur=
es are applied in the overdrive
unit it becomes quite apparent that the hydraulic forces serve to pull the=
clutch ring in toward the forward casing of the overdrive during overdrive=
operation which makes the joint tighter.<br>
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font-size:small">
During "normal" non overdrive operation the 8 springs in the unit=
do tend to push the rear housing away from the clutch ring but that force =
is not that great as it is only required, by way of the cone clutch, to ove=
rcome overrun loads. Probably less than 150
lbs.<br>
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font-size:small">
All that said however I can certainly understand what Andy is saying about =
the likelihood of leakage occurring when the joint is assembled dry as per =
the Workshop Manual..<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">
Installing gasket(s) between the casings and the clutch ring will affect th=
e sunwheel end float which is specified as 0.008" to 0.014" but a=
dding a thicker end float adjusting washer could take care of that, if you =
can find an appropriate one.<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">
I would imagine that sparing use of sealant alone would have little or no e=
ffect on the end float.<br>
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font-size:small">
Michael S<br>
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font-size:small">
BN1 #174<br>
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font-size:small">
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:05 PM, WILLIAM B LAWREN=
CE <span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com"; target=3D"_blank">YNOTINK@msn.com</a=
>></span> wrote:<br>
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t;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir=3D"ltr"=
>
<p>Hmmm! sorry for opening a can of worms, but I've found the responses ver=
y enlightening. On the topic of stress inducing the leaks due to the positi=
on of the hold-back link I took a look at my transmission/OD (BN1) and=
the holdback is attached to the trans
to OD adapter plate. I suppose it might be a problem for the later models =
if the holdback is located on the rear OD housing, but there shouldn't=
be any stress from that source at the brake ring location for th=
e BN1.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The internal stresses resulting from the hydraulic clamping forces might=
be a more likely source.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Bill Lawrence</p>
<p>BN1#554</p>
</div>
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nt-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> H=
ealeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">healeys-bounces@autox.team.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf
of Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>roggrace@telus.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:04:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter; Healey List
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<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</div>
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<div>Tks to all for good input.</div>
<div>Wondering if anyone has thoughts why factory never installed a gasket =
at this flange joint ?</div>
<div>Any negatives about retro-fitting one after 50 years ?</div>
<div>rg</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:38 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Healey List</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
Out of interest I just did the calculations for the change in length of the=
studs in this case.<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
Assuming:<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
4 x 5/16" dia studs with an effective diameter of 0.25" each (thr=
ead root) and a length of 3" (in actual fact only the bottom pair are =
that long).<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
0.8 G of braking (which is probably way higher than our tires can generate)=
<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
Young's Modulus of 30,000,000 @ 100 degrees F<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
700 lbs of engine and gearbox (which is probably very high considering that=
the the mounts are all rubber and the main engine mounts would absorb a fa=
ir bit as well)<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
Works out to about 0.00028" of stretch. <br>
That's less than 10% of a human hair and only during panic braking if the t=
ie rod is the only thing resisting the load.<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">
I think that there must be other contributing factors...<br>
</div>
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s ms,sans-serif">
Michael S<br>
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s ms,sans-serif">
BN1 #174 <br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bluehealey <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">
<<a>bluehealey@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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c 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">Team.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">I can agree that a good goo=
between the mating faces is important and the Japanese Motorcycle manufact=
urers will probably have the solution nailed. The root
cause however isn=92t necessarily pressure, flange flatness, or goo failur=
e.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">It is more likely that the =
rear reaction strut (not sure what else to call it) causes the joint to fle=
x a little and open every time the car slows under braking.
My theory and the solution I adopted can be found here:<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><a href=3D"http://www.blueh=
ealey.com/Struts.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bluehealey.com/Stru<wbr=
>ts.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">No leaks from my gearbox.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
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bri","sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext"><u></u><u></u></span>&nb=
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bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">AlanB<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
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824431536m_8461640192785312872Picture_x0020_1" alt=3D"cid:image001.png@01D1=
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bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> =
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BOTTOM:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0cm;PADDING-TOP:3pt;PADDING-LEFT:0cm;BORD=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"T=
ahoma","sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</=
span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a>heal=
eys-bounces@autox.<wbr>team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Grace<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 November 2016 21:02<br>
<b>To:</b> David Porter; Healey List</span></p>
<div>
<div class=3D"m_501826429824431536h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<u></u><u></u></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it =
is one of my Winter projects.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=92t last (ha=
ve no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil pressure on=
the joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate
goo that will last and contain the oil.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by =
some shops that fix OD=92s.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals w=
ere sealed with a product called Wellseal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its webs=
ite blurb.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint that=
seems like a good idea ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a gaske=
t. I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when have my h=
ands on them. Has anyone had a problem with the
mating flatness ? do they have a tendency to warp over the years and=
maybe abuse too ? given the shape not easy to machine flat - why do they l=
eak ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Comic Sans MS"=
">Comments/ideas please.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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">rg<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ma","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</=
span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif""> David Porter
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</=
span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif""> Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</sp=
an></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","s=
ans-serif""> Bob Spidell ; John Spaur
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Cc:</sp=
an></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","s=
ans-serif""> healeys
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject=
:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma",&q=
uot;sans-serif""> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<div>
<p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif"">s=
eems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal pre=
ssure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above the op=
erating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on
the shaft.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif"">D=
aveP adding to the wisdom....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif"">On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"">Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
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ans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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"sans-serif"">From: </span>
</b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Helvetica","sans-serif"=
">"John Spaur" <a>mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
<b>To: </b>"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <a>mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com</a>, &q=
uot;healeys" <a>mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">In my experiences neither o=
f the two types Hylomar will not seal that joint.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">John Spaur</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";COLOR:#1f497d">San Jose</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Healeys [<=
a>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.<wbr>team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Overdrive Question</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div id=3D"m_501826429824431536m_8461640192785312872divtagdefaultwrapper">
<p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","sans-serif";CO=
LOR:#1f497d">=85</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif"">disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the c=
lutch ring. There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on=
the
joint faces to stop the leak. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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