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So does my Mk II BT7 centre-shifter, on top of the RF shock tower (under the
shock-absorber) - January 1962
Mark
Ardmore, NZ
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From: Charlie Baldwin [mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 11:20 a.m.
To: i erbs
Cc: Ahealey help
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis
number.
On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs wrote:
BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
_______ _______
(______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
(_________________________)
BT7 engine and disk brakes
1967 MGB MG
<http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg>
A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie@comcast.net>
wrote:
>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it
doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the
chassis number there.
On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
So Charlie,
Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
tower.
To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's. They had
glass "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, the
pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle. They DID
have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not
BJ7s.
Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1
<https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
> &slide=13
Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations. When they first came out
in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with the
reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.
Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey
-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two front
and two rear.
One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
This should clear things up.
Cheers,
Curt
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie@comcast.net>
wrote:
So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with that
chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped
on the right front shock mount? So it may be titled with the wrong chassis
number. That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color or
having poorly fitting seat covers. The poorly stamped chassis number plate
could be part of the issue also.
When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that it
probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights. Then I
figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title. But this is
much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it is
a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
Charlie
On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
FWIW...
Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up
another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came
with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats. I
don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less
than 5%. I will check.
<Leather on BJ8's was an option on home market cars (England). Very few
original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- "Leather
trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs" was listed as an available
option for BJ8's.>
For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965
(chassis no. 30659), and as such it would have had the single plastic side
lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second
set of amber plastic turn signal lights?
>From the 2018 Guidelines...
<BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit with
a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas type 692),
up through Phase II BJ8 (C) 31337 (B) 76137.
Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-shaped
red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up
to Phase II BJ8 Car No. 31336 (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
26704). With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and
the lower lights were replaced with tail/brake lights with red plastic
lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas type 692
through the end of production.>
Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel
opening? The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening. Maybe it's the
angle of the photo, I don't know? The left front opening looks much better.
All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms can
be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the less, even
with its flaws.
Cheers,
Curt
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie@comcast.net>
wrote:
Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored
there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as
someone else mentioned.
> On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Charlie Baldwin: strange that I never received your original message via
the list (yet).
>
> Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous owner recorded in New
Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC
Classics in April 2008.
>
> Steve Byers
> HBJ8L/36666
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Spidell
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>
> Not MGB, but 'champagne.' Was that an original color? This one came
> from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?
>
> Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent, or
> is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice
> engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
> > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but
> > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer price was
> > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one in your register?
> >
> >
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-heale
y-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
> >
> >
>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
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centre-shifter, on
top of the RF shock tower (under the shock-absorber) - January 1962 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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11:20 a.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> i erbs<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Ahealey help<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] =
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<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>My
BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis =
number.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From
what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it =
doesn't
match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis =
number
there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So Charlie, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number =
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very =
similar
to BJ7's. They had <u>glass</u> "Beehive" front =
parking/side
and rear stop lights, reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door =
handles
and the lower rear axle. They DID have the wood dash and of course =
the
larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a
href=3D"https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D=
1&slide=3D13"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-=
1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&slide=3D13</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
variations. When they first came out in 1964-5 they now had the =
single
plastic lights front and rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear =
end, and
push button door handles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Here's another nice example in Black w/red =
interior...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a
href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-au=
stin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lo=
ts/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In '66 and '67 we have the final version with =
all
plastic lights, two front and two rear.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red
interior...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a
href=3D"https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-54472=
1"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhe=
aley-3000-544721</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>This should clear things =
up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Curt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie =
Baldwin <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So
Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with =
that
chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the chassis =
number
stamped on the right front shock mount? So it may be titled with =
the
wrong chassis number. That is a greater concern to me than being =
the
wrong color or having poorly fitting seat covers. The poorly =
stamped
chassis number plate could be part of the issue =
also.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>When
I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that it =
probably
isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights. Then I =
figured it
was just an error on the year they put on the title. But this is =
much
more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it is a =
Phase
2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Charlie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=3Dcite>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>FWIW...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Obviously, there are some issues with this
car. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is =
terrible and
that also brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US =
delivered
convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to =
have
leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but =
it may
have been less than 5%. I will check.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><Leather on BJ8’s was an option on =
home
market cars (<st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region>).
Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats
-- </span></font></span><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle2><b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial-BoldMT><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial-BoldMT;
font-weight:bold'>“Leather trim for seats, armrest and rear =
folding
squabs” </span></font></b></span><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>was
listed as an available option for =
BJ8's.></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>For me the biggest potential issue is that =
this car is
supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and as such it would have =
had the
single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with =
reflectors
instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal =
lights? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From the 2018 =
Guidelines...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><</span></font></span><font size=3D2
face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>BJ8s
from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit with
a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas =
type
692), up <span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0>through
Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) =
76137.</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake =
lights
with a single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the =
bumper,
were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) =
76138
(type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704). With that car, the =
upper
reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger =
body
fairing) and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights =
were </span></font></span><font
size=3D2 face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>replaced &nbs=
p;with
tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower =
lights <span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0>on
these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of =
production.></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Did anyone else notice in the very first =
photo the
right front wing wheel opening? The metal work looks a bit =
inconsistent
and the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear =
wheel
opening. Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know? =
The left
front opening looks much better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart =
and
overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the =
high
bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall good =
looking car
none the less, even with its flaws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Curt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie =
<st1:place
w:st=3D"on">Baldwin</st1:place> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Steve, I'm =
glad you have
it in the registry.<br>
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored =
there,
but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.<br>
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as
someone else mentioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
> On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <<a
href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Charlie Baldwin: strange that I never received your original =
message
via the list (yet).<br>
> <br>
> Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous owner =
recorded in <st1:State
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">New Hampshire</st1:place></st1:State> =
(AHCA
member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in =
April
2008.<br>
> <br>
> Steve Byers<br>
> HBJ8L/36666<br>
> BJ8 Registry<br>
> AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
> <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Havelock</st1:City>, =
<st1:State
w:st=3D"on">NC</st1:State></st1:place> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Healeys [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On
Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
> <br>
> Not MGB, but 'champagne.' Was that an original color? =
This one
came <br>
> from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?<br>
> <br>
> Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever =
bent, or <br>
> is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an =
otherwise nice <br>
> engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
> <br>
> Bob<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
> > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, =
but <br>
> > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer price =
was <br>
> > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one =
in
your register?<br>
> ><br>
> > <a
href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-a=
ustin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lo=
ts/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386</a>
<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <br>
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