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In the wise words of John Ruskin:
*There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little
worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are
this man's lawful prey.*
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:45 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
> I found an obscure British car parts dealer in an industrial area in San
> Jose (or maybe Los Altos). They had an OEM front bumper for a BJ8--I
> presume it would fit any 6-cyl car--on the wall. The owner of the shop
> told me he'd had it for years; no one wanted it because it cost a hundred
> or so bucks more than the crappy repops.
>
> Who's doing this? Surely, no one on this list who's complaining about
> crappy fitting parts has sprung for the cheap version over the quality on=
e,
> right (I'm guilty; I bought a cheaper rear brake cylinder over the pricie=
r
> one a couple years ago)?
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 7/12/2019 6:38 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
> When I bought front and rear bumpers for my 67 BJ-8 from Moss . I had a
> show coming up and I needed them quick . Well they weren=E2=80=99t even c=
lose to
> fitting. When I called Moss back , the salesman said , when you ordered
> them , didn=E2=80=99t the salesman tell you they will need to modified to=
fit ?
> Sent them back , ordered a new set from AH Spares . Fit first time .
> Don ,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> As far as repops go, I asked a Moss rep one time why a lot of the
> reproduction parts and the rubber was so bad and did not fit well. He to=
ld
> me that he could sell better parts for our cars but very few people will
> buy them. If he lists both a premium part and a cheaper version, almost
> 95% will buy the cheap part. It would be foolish to inventory such slow
> moving parts, so they sell what the majority will buy. Everyone wants th=
e
> parts to be cheap. S
> So, I guess you get what you pay for.
> Mike MacLean
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2019, 8:29:19 AM PDT, Richard Collins <
> gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yup, fully agree with the rant:
>
> The rear bumper brackets were not even close to fitting the attachment
> holes on my rear bumper, both purchased at the same time from the vendor.
> As a result, one each of the bracket bolts hold the bumper to the car wit=
h
> the other hole in the bumper empty. Looks weird but doesn=E2=80=99t impac=
t
> drivability. The bumper is so thin that any rear ender will destroy it
> anyway.
>
> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 440
>
> On Jul 11, 2019, at 23:41, Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> Amen to that. The inner forks of front bumper mounting brackets I bought
> a number of years ago were a bit over an inch shorter than the outer fork=
s,
> which required sectioning and welding in extensions to bring them level.
> In retrospect, I probably should have taken an inch out of the outer fork=
s,
> as the bumper sits too far proud of the shroud. I=E2=80=99d totally forg=
otten
> about this until I took my aux lamps off and reinstalled the bumper for a
> show this weekend. After the show, the bumper is coming off and the lamp=
s
> are going back on.
>
>
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> Brea, CA
>
> 1960 BN7
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Salter
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2019 1:39 PM
> *To:* Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?
>
>
>
> Mike you are pretty well "on the money" there.
>
> I have encountered endless problems with repop parts. I fail to understan=
d
> why manufacturers have so much difficulty getting things right.
>
> My suspicion is that we are all partly to blame for accepting the junk an=
d
> trying to make it work.
>
> I will go to untold lengths to purchase a good used part any time as so
> doing invariably saves me hours and hours of frustration...
>
>
>
> I feel your pain.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 4:19 PM Mike MacLean, <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> I am beginning to understand what a restorer friend of mine once told me.
> He said he could restore three BJ8 cars in the time it took to do a 100.
> Virtually no parts I have bought from the usual suspects for my BN2 are
> easy to install. Nothing fits like it was made for the car. This mornin=
g
> I made an attempt to bolt up the two bump stop boxes over the rear axle.
> None of the holes in the part lined up with the holes in the body above t=
he
> rear axle. I will have to auger out at least three of the holes in the
> bump stop box to get all four bolts in. This car is fighting me every st=
ep
> of the way. I guess it's like my restorer friend who has since passed to=
ld
> me when he sold me that rolling frame with a few body panels on it, "Go
> ahead buy the car, it will give you a reason to live". I am beginning to
> understand what he meant. Half the time I am pulling my hair out and
> inventing new curse words, but I go out to that garage everyday and try t=
o
> accomplish something on the car, even if I end up beating my head against
> the wall, I keep coming back. Rant over.
>
> Mike MacLean
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">In the wise words of John Ruskin:</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<b><font size=3D"4"><span style=3D"line-height:107%">There
is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse an=
d
sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man&=
#39;s
lawful prey.</span></font></b>
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:45 AM Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bs=
pidell@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>I found an obscure British car parts dealer in an industrial area
in San Jose (or maybe Los Altos).=C2=A0 They had an OEM front bumper
for a BJ8--I presume it would fit any 6-cyl car--on the wall.=C2=A0 T=
he
owner of the shop told me he'd had it for years; no one wanted it
because it cost a hundred or so bucks more than the crappy repops.</p=
>
<p>Who's doing this?=C2=A0 Surely, no one on this list who's co=
mplaining
about crappy fitting parts has sprung for the cheap version over
the quality one, right (I'm guilty; I bought a cheaper rear brake
cylinder over the pricier one a couple years ago)?<br>
</p>
<p>Bob</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935moz-cite-prefix">On 7/12/2019 =
6:38 PM, Don via Healeys
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
When I bought front and rear bumpers for my 67 BJ-8 from Moss . I
had a show coming up and I needed them quick . Well they weren=E2=80=
=99t
even close to fitting. When I called Moss back , the salesman said
, when you ordered them , didn=E2=80=99t the salesman tell you they w=
ill
need to modified to fit ? Sent them back , ordered a new set from
AH Spares . Fit first time .=C2=A0
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Don ,=C2=A0<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"lt=
r">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Michael MacLean <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:rrengineer.mike@att.net" target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>>=
;
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935ydp26103912yahoo-style=
-wrap" style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:=
16px">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As far as repops
go, I asked a Moss rep one time why a lot of the
reproduction parts and the rubber was so bad and did not
fit well.=C2=A0 He told me that he could sell better parts
for our cars but very few people will buy them.=C2=A0 If he
lists both a premium part and a cheaper version, almost
95% will buy the cheap part. It would be foolish to
inventory such slow moving parts, so they sell what the
majority will buy.=C2=A0 Everyone wants the parts to be
cheap.=C2=A0 S</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So, I guess you
get what you pay for.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yahoo_quoted_3324050805" =
class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yahoo_quoted">
<div style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetic=
a,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
<div> On Friday, July 12, 2019, 8:29:19 AM PDT, Richard
Collins <<a href=3D"mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245582">
<div>
Yup, fully agree with the rant:
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>The rear bumper brackets were not even
close to fitting the attachment holes on my
rear bumper, both purchased at the same time
from the vendor. As a result, one each of the
bracket bolts hold the bumper to the car with
the other hole in the bumper empty. Looks
weird but doesn=E2=80=99t impact drivability. The
bumper is so thin that any rear ender will
destroy it anyway.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,
<div>Richard C</div>
<div>BN7 440</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582yqt2627518864" id=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245582yqtfd62=
795"><br clear=3D"none">
On Jul 11, 2019, at 23:41, Bruce Steele
<<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:healeybruce@roadrunner.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeybruce@roadru=
nner.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv09072=
45582yqt2627518864" id=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245582yqtfd5783=
7">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245582y=
qt2627518864" id=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245582yqtfd37164">
=20
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582WordSection1">
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><span>Amen to that.=C2=A0 The inner forks of
front bumper mounting brackets I bought a
number of years ago were a bit over an
inch shorter than the outer forks, which
required sectioning and welding in
extensions to bring them level.=C2=A0 In
retrospect, I probably should have taken
an inch out of the outer forks, as the
bumper sits too far proud of the shroud.=C2=
=A0
I=E2=80=99d totally forgotten about this unti=
l I
took my aux lamps off and reinstalled the
bumper for a show this weekend.=C2=A0 After t=
he
show, the bumper is coming off and the
lamps are going back on.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><span> =C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><span>Bruce Steele</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><span>Brea, CA</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><span>1960 BN7</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><span> =C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt"> Healeys [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:healeys-bounc=
es@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br clear=
=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2019 1:39
PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Michael MacLean <<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.tea=
m.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Mind if I
Rant?</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv09072=
45582MsoNormal">Mike you
are pretty well "on the money" ther=
e.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal">I have
encountered endless problems with repop
parts. I fail to understand why
manufacturers have so much difficulty
getting things right.=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal">My
suspicion is that we are all partly to
blame for accepting the junk and trying
to make it work.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal">I will
go to untold lengths to purchase a good
used part any time as so doing
invariably saves me hours and hours of
frustration...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal">I feel
your pain.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal">M</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0907245=
582MsoNormal"> =C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal">On Thu,
Jul 11, 2019, 4:19 PM Mike MacLean, <<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor =
currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none soli=
d;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt =
0in 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv0=
907245582MsoNormal">I am
beginning to understand what a
restorer friend of mine once told me.=C2=
=A0
He said he could restore three BJ8
cars in the time it took to do a 100.=C2=
=A0
Virtually no parts I have bought from
the usual suspects for my BN2 are easy
to install.=C2=A0 Nothing fits like it wa=
s
made for the car.=C2=A0 This morning I ma=
de
an attempt to bolt up the two bump
stop boxes over the rear axle.=C2=A0 None
of the holes in the part lined up with
the holes in the body above the rear
axle.=C2=A0 I will have to auger out at
least three of the holes in the bump
stop box to get all four bolts in.=C2=A0
This car is fighting me every step of
the way.=C2=A0 I guess it's like my
restorer friend who has since passed
told me when he sold me that rolling
frame with a few body panels on it,
"Go ahead buy the car, it will give
you a reason to live".=C2=A0 I am be=
ginning
to understand what he meant.=C2=A0 Half t=
he
time I am pulling my hair out and
inventing new curse words, but I go
out to that garage everyday and try to
accomplish something on the car, even
if I end up beating my head against
the wall, I keep coming back.=C2=A0 Rant
over.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yi=
v0907245582MsoNormal">Mike
MacLean</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-281238066023062935yiv090=
7245582MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">____________________________=
__________________<br clear=3D"none">
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