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Bill,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I do not envy you about the painting of your=
car.=C2=A0 I went through three body and fender people before my BN2 was s=
omewhat acceptable.=C2=A0 It is far from perfect and I have spent many thou=
sands to get it almost right.=C2=A0 I was fortunate to have my local restor=
er friend who has since passed, advise me on what has to be done to the bod=
y before painting like fitting the grill and splash pan during the bodywork=
before it is painted.=C2=A0 My big problem was the first body man thought =
that carving a car out of a half inch of Bondo was the way to go.=C2=A0 The=
inside surface of the metal looked far different than the outside Bondoed =
surface.=C2=A0 He left in the middle of the night with my money, leaving my=
car outside with only one coat of the first stage on the car and took my c=
omplete windscreen assembly with him.=C2=A0 No one can find him right now.=
=C2=A0 To his credit, the second body man removed the Bondo and did a much =
better job of bringing the metal closer to the paint.=C2=A0 Also to his cre=
dit he had finished painting the car before he skipped town, but once again=
that was a disaster.=C2=A0 He had promised to take it across the way to th=
e "real" body shop and rent their paint booth for $100.=C2=A0 That did not =
happen.=C2=A0 He wanted to save $100, so he painted it right in his shop.=
=C2=A0 The problem was he had been sub-letting his half of the shop in the =
industrial park with a guy making concrete paving stones.=C2=A0 When he pai=
nted the car in his shop he got dirt particles in the paint under the clear=
coat on the side next to the paving stones. He told me that color sanding =
it would "get that out of the paint".=C2=A0 It did not.=C2=A0 Then he skipp=
ed town like the last guy.=C2=A0 I was beginning to see a pattern.=C2=A0 Th=
e last guy I took it to razor bladed all the paint off and repainted the ca=
r.=C2=A0 He did a lousy job of prep work and you can see sanding lines unde=
r the paint in some places if you look close and bubbles have popped up is =
a few places.=C2=A0 One large bubble popped up between the right headlight =
and the bonnet opening on the shroud.=C2=A0 I was told he would fix this wh=
en he wasn't so busy.=C2=A0 I called a few days ago about scheduling the ca=
r to repair the areas that needed it and he had changed his tune completely=
.=C2=A0 He wanted to estimate how much to charge me to do the work.=C2=A0 H=
e wouldn't even get on the phone, he had his wife tell me he had told me or=
iginally when he had=C2=A0 painted it he was only going to sand the car dow=
n and paint over the the old paint, therefore he was not responsible for wh=
at happened to the paint after that.=C2=A0 This is not true. He denied sayi=
ng that he razored the old paint off, a lie. =C2=A0 He said what do you exp=
ect for $12,000.00!=C2=A0 That is where I am right now.=C2=A0 I have a mind=
to leave it the way it is and when I am asked at a Healey meet about the g=
laring problems with the paint, tell people of the wonderful customer servi=
ce I got from this guy.=C2=A0 Believe me, he is not getting another dime ou=
t of me.=C2=A0 I have a local production body and fender shop I trust for s=
mall repairs that will be fixing the problems, I hope.=C2=A0 I'm too far in=
to this car now to stop.=C2=A0 I probably could have bought three running 1=
00s with what I have spent so far.=C2=A0 Talk about a sickness.Mike MacLean
On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 8:11:01 PM PDT, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink=
@msn.com> wrote: =20
=20
#yiv4715006757 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Mike,
My car has been off the road for 4 years and I am finally planning to get i=
t into paint it this weekend. It isn't just new parts or re-pops that can v=
ary in dimension even used or NOS parts are sometimes wrong. The fact that =
these cars were "hand built" and the suppliers at the time were a little sl=
oppy with their tolerances means that any job is going to be as much a matt=
er of luck as skill. I read or heard somewhere that Jensens had piles of pa=
nels next to their assembly line and that as the chassis came down the line=
they would test fit panels until they found an acceptable match. Parts lik=
e the cockpit surrounds, bonnets and deck lids were hand fitted to each car=
and number stamped to avoid having them mixed up. Parts from one car may h=
ave a completely different fit than those from another. Oh well, If it were=
easy a Ford mechanic could do it...
Congratulations=C2=A0on your retirement. If I had known how much I would en=
joy it I would have done that first.
Bill LawrenceBN1 #554
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike MacLean <r=
rengineer.mike@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 10:19 PM
To: Jean Caron
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?=C2=A0Jean,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Believ=
e me when I say, restored old parts or NOS parts are my first choice.=C2=A0=
Sometimes fiddling with a repop to make it fit is less work than making th=
e part.=C2=A0 It seems any reproduction part needs to be "adjusted" to fit.=
=C2=A0 If I had a swear jar in the garage, I wouldn't have enough money lef=
t for food during the last week of the month.=C2=A0 I get my retirement inc=
ome on the first.Mike
On Jul 11, 2019 2:47 PM, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.c=
om> wrote:
Mike,=20
If you have the old parts and they are too rusted to be used, sometimes it =
pays to make them yourself and drill the holes exactly where they need to b=
e, it=E2=80=99s time consuming but it fits right the first time.
=C2=A0
Jean
=C2=A0
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
=C2=A0
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike MacLean <r=
rengineer.mike@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 3:18:58 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?=C2=A0I am beginning to understand what a=
restorer friend of mine once told me.=C2=A0 He said he could restore three=
BJ8 cars in the time it took to do a 100.=C2=A0 Virtually no parts I have =
bought from the usual suspects for my BN2 are easy to install.=C2=A0 Nothin=
g fits like it was made for the car.=C2=A0 This morning I made an attempt t=
o bolt up the two bump stop boxes over the rear axle.=C2=A0 None of the hol=
es in the part lined up with the holes in the body above the rear axle.=C2=
=A0 I will have to auger out at least three of the holes in the bump stop b=
ox to get all four bolts in.=C2=A0 This car is fighting me every step of th=
e way.=C2=A0 I guess it's like my restorer friend who has since passed told=
me when he sold me that rolling frame with a few body panels on it, "Go ah=
ead buy the car, it will give you a reason to live".=C2=A0 I am beginning t=
o understand what he meant.=C2=A0 Half the time I am pulling my hair out an=
d inventing new curse words, but I go out to that garage everyday and try t=
o accomplish something on the car, even if I end up beating my head against=
the wall, I keep coming back.=C2=A0 Rant over.Mike MacLean
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bill,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"> I do not envy you about the =
painting of your car. I went through three body and fender people bef=
ore my BN2 was somewhat acceptable. It is far from perfect and I have=
spent many thousands to get it almost right. I was fortunate to have=
my local restorer friend who has since passed, advise me on what has to be=
done to the body before painting like fitting the grill and splash pan dur=
ing the bodywork before it is painted. My big problem was the first b=
ody man thought that carving a car out of a half inch of Bondo was the way =
to go. The inside surface of the metal looked far different than the =
outside Bondoed surface. He left in the middle of the night with my m=
oney, leaving my car outside with only one coat of the first stage on the c=
ar and took my complete windscreen assembly with him. No one can find=
him right now. To his credit, the second body man removed the Bondo =
and did a much better job of bringing the metal closer to the paint. =
Also to his credit he had finished painting the car before he skipped town,=
but once again that was a disaster. <span>He had promised to take it=
across the way to the "real" body shop and rent their paint booth for $100=
.</span> That did not happen. He wanted to save $100, so he pai=
nted it right in his shop. The problem was he had been sub-letting hi=
s half of the shop in the industrial park with a guy making concrete paving=
stones. When he painted the car in his shop he got dirt particles <s=
pan>in the paint under the clear coat on the side </span>next to the paving=
stones. He told me that color sanding it would "get that out of the paint"=
. It did not. Then he skipped town like the last guy. I w=
as beginning to see a pattern. The last guy I took it to razor bladed=
all the paint off and repainted the car. He did a lousy job of prep =
work and you can see sanding lines under the paint in some places if you lo=
ok close and bubbles have popped up is a few places. One large bubble=
popped up between the right headlight and the bonnet opening on the shroud=
. I was told he would fix this when he wasn't so busy. I called=
a few days ago about scheduling the car to repair the areas that needed it=
and he had changed his tune completely. He wanted to estimate how mu=
ch to charge me to do the work. He wouldn't even get on the phone, he=
had his wife tell me he had told me <span>originally </span>when he had&nb=
sp; painted it he was only going to sand the car down and paint over the th=
e old paint, therefore he was not responsible for what happened to the pain=
t after that. This is not true. He denied saying that he razored the =
old paint off, a lie. He said what do you expect for $12,000.00!&nbs=
p; That is where I am right now. I have a mind to leave it the way it=
is and when I am asked at a Healey meet about the glaring problems with th=
e paint, tell people of the wonderful customer service I got from this guy.=
Believe me, he is not getting another dime out of me. I have a=
local production body and fender shop I trust for small repairs that will =
be fixing the problems, I hope. I'm too far into this car now to stop=
. I probably could have bought three running 100s with what I have sp=
ent so far. Talk about a sickness.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false">Mike MacLean<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 8:11:01 PM PDT, WILLIAM B L=
AWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
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Mike,</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
My car has been off the road for 4 years and I am finally planning to get i=
t into paint it this weekend. It isn't just new parts or re-pops that can v=
ary in dimension even used or NOS parts are sometimes wrong. The fact that =
these cars were "hand built" and
the suppliers at the time were a little sloppy with their tolerances means=
that any job is going to be as much a matter of luck as skill. I read or h=
eard somewhere that Jensens had piles of panels next to their assembly line=
and that as the chassis came down
the line they would test fit panels until they found an acceptable match. =
Parts like the cockpit surrounds, bonnets and deck lids were hand fitted to=
each car and number stamped to avoid having them mixed up. Parts from one =
car may have a completely different
fit than those from another. Oh well, If it were easy a Ford mechanic coul=
d do it...</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Congratulations on your retirement. If I had known how much I would en=
joy it I would have done that first.</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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t;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys <=
;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike MacLean <rrenginee=
r.mike@att.net><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2019 10:19 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jean Caron<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> healeys@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?</font>
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<div>
<div>Jean,
<div> Believe me when I say, restored old parts or NOS p=
arts are my first choice. Sometimes fiddling with a repop to make it =
fit is less work than making the part. It seems any reproduction part=
needs to be "adjusted" to fit. If I had a swear
jar in the garage, I wouldn't have enough money left for food during the l=
ast week of the month. I get my retirement income on the first.</div>
<div>Mike</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv4715006757x_gmail_quote">On Jul 11, 2019 2:47 PM, Jean Car=
on <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none=
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r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>
<p>Mike, </p>
<p>If you have the old parts and they are too rusted to be used, sometimes =
it pays to make them yourself and drill the holes exactly where they need t=
o be, it=E2=80=99s time consuming but it fits right the first time.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Jean</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Sent from <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"h=
ttps://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p=
>
<p> </p>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-seri=
f" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t> on behalf of Mike MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net><br clear=3D=
"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2019 3:18:58 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> healeys@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>I am beginning to understand what a restorer friend of mine once told =
me. He said he could restore three BJ8 cars in the time it took to do=
a 100. Virtually no parts I have bought from the usual suspects for =
my BN2 are easy to install. Nothing
fits like it was made for the car. This morning I made an attempt to=
bolt up the two bump stop boxes over the rear axle. None of the hole=
s in the part lined up with the holes in the body above the rear axle. =
; I will have to auger out at least three of the
holes in the bump stop box to get all four bolts in. This car is fig=
hting me every step of the way. I guess it's like my restorer friend =
who has since passed told me when he sold me that rolling frame with a few =
body panels on it, "Go ahead buy the car,
it will give you a reason to live". I am beginning to understand wha=
t he meant. Half the time I am pulling my hair out and inventing new =
curse words, but I go out to that garage everyday and try to accomplish som=
ething on the car, even if I end up beating
my head against the wall, I keep coming back. Rant over.
<div>Mike MacLean</div>
</div>
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