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The best price I could find for Valvoline VR-1 20w50 on Wallmart's site was=
 $7.03/quart & it was shipping from "Zoro", who ever that is. The next best=
 price was $9.11/quart shipping from Speedway.=C2=A0Gary Hodson


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil additives -- great informaton. Thanks.

 Walmart had no problem shipping me a crap-ton of Valvoline VR-1 20W-50; st=
ill don't understand why the outfit in the Midwest I bought from before ref=
used to ship to me.=C2=A0 The Valvoline saga has some strange twists, a few=
 years ago my favorite parts house 'had to pull it off the shelves;' I neve=
r got an explanation there, either.=C2=A0 I haven't seen it on any parts ho=
use shelves since, but as long as Wallymart will ship for free @ less than =
$4/qt I'll be happy.
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 Bob
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 On 5/1/2020 10:30 AM, wwycoffbn7--- via Healeys wrote:
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    Hi,=C2=A0 Thanks all.=C2=A0 As is usual there is a lot of good discours=
e and experience shared by the list. =C2=A0What triggered my question on oi=
l and oil additives was the observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image=
 that did not display the usual statement that it contains ZDDP. =C2=A0For =
decades I have used that oil as it carries proper oil pressure, suites the =
climate, etc. =C2=A0However, if Red Line stopped including ZDDP, I would fi=
nd another oil. =C2=A0I also recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell havi=
ng to find a new outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed that it no longer =
cleared some California rule changes. =C2=A0I wondered it this happened to =
Red Line. =C2=A0 So, I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a ra=
pid response sent one to our Healey group. =C2=A0The Healey group was much =
faster to respond. =C2=A0While most business are slowed down by COVID-19, a=
 Red Line response did come. =C2=A0The assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil=
 10W40 (SKU 11404) contains good ZDDP levels, plenty for an Austin Healey's=
 flat tappet cam and lifters; 1225ppm zinc and more importantly 1375ppm pho=
sphorus.
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  As to their break in additive, their Web site indicates that a half bottl=
e is enough to add to a conventional oil.=C2=A0 It also has bit of sulfur, =
16.6 grams.=C2=A0 I have to wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result=
 in too much.=C2=A0 I am just not inclined to experiment. =C2=A0 The 3000=
=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 weight oil, even for tro=
pical heat.=C2=A0 However, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the Gree=
n Book) has a much more expansive table that promotes a lot of weights depe=
nding on the manufacturer.=C2=A0 The aspect that modern oils are a bit diff=
erent than those available when the book came out adds a bit more uncertain=
ty.=C2=A0  =C2=A0 I am confident using the 10W40.=C2=A0 I used 10W50 in my =
Triumph, but it was an air-cooled engine and was REAL hard to start in free=
zing weather.=C2=A0 There were also a lot of reputable recommendations that=
 led me to Red Line=E2=80=99s 10W40.=C2=A0 The oil pressure is proper, so I=
 don=E2=80=99t see an upside for me to use a heavier oil. =C2=A0 Many thank=
s to the folks who responded.=C2=A0  =C2=A0 Bill =20
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;">The best price I could find for=
 Valvoline VR-1 20w50 on Wallmart's site was $7.03/quart &amp; it was shipp=
ing from "Zoro", who ever that is. The next best price was $9.11/quart ship=
ping from Speedway.&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;">Gary Hodson<br clear=3D"none">
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From: Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: healeys@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 11:10 pm<br clear=3D"none">
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    Walmart had no problem shipping me a crap-ton of Valvoline VR-1
    20W-50; still don't understand why the outfit in the Midwest I
    bought from before refused to ship to me.&nbsp; The Valvoline saga has
    some strange twists, a few years ago my favorite parts house 'had to
    pull it off the shelves;' I never got an explanation there, either.&nbs=
p;
    I haven't seen it on any parts house shelves since, but as long as
    Wallymart will ship for free @ less than $4/qt I'll be happy.<br clear=
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    Bob<br clear=3D"none">
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7--- via
      Healeys wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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ight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New       =
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eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;color:black;">Thanks
                  all.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>As is
                  usual there is a lot of good discourse and experience
                  shared by the list. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>What
                  triggered my question on oil and oil additives was the
                  observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image that
                  did not display the usual statement that it contains
                  ZDDP. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>For
                  decades I have used that oil as it carries proper oil
                  pressure, suites the climate, etc. <span style=3D"">&nbsp=
;</span>However, if Red
                  Line stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil.
                  <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I also
                  recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell having to
                  find a new outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed
                  that it no longer cleared some California rule
                  changes. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I
                  wondered it this happened to Red Line.</span></div>


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<div class=3D"yiv0208102013MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-h=
eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</span></div>


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<div class=3D"yiv0208102013MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-h=
eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;color:black;">So,
                  I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a
                  rapid response sent one to our Healey group. <span style=
=3D"">&nbsp;</span>The Healey group
                  was much faster to respond. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span=
>While most
                  business are slowed down by COVID-19, a Red Line
                  response did come. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>The
                  assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU 11404)
                  contains good ZDDP levels, plenty for an Austin
                  Healey's flat tappet cam and lifters; 1225ppm zinc and
                  more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.<br clear=3D"none" st=
yle=3D"">
                  <br clear=3D"none" style=3D"">
                </span></div>


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eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;">As to their break in additive, their Web site
                  indicates that a half bottle is enough to add to a
                  conventional oil.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>It
                  also has bit of sulfur, 16.6 grams.<span style=3D"">&nbsp=
; </span>I have to
                  wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result in too
                  much.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>I am
                  just not inclined to experiment.</span></div>


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<div class=3D"yiv0208102013MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-h=
eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</span></div>


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<div class=3D"yiv0208102013MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-h=
eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;color:black;">The
                  3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 we=
ight oil,
                  even for tropical heat.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>How=
ever, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the
                  Green Book) has a much more expansive table that
                  promotes a lot of weights depending on the
                  manufacturer.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The
                  aspect that modern oils are a bit different than those
                  available when the book came out adds a bit more
                  uncertainty.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span></span></div>


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eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>


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<div class=3D"yiv0208102013MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-h=
eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;color:black;">I
                  am confident using the 10W40.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </sp=
an>I used 10W50 in
                  my Triumph, but it was an air-cooled engine and was
                  REAL hard to start in freezing weather.<span style=3D"">&=
nbsp; </span>There were also
                  a lot of reputable recommendations that led me to Red
                  Line=E2=80=99s 10W40.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The
                  oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t see an upside =
for
                  me to use a heavier oil.</span></div>


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eight:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New      =
             Roman', serif;color:black;">Many
                  thanks to the folks who responded.<span style=3D"">&nbsp;=
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