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Re: Streamliners

To: "Jim Bickford" <>, <>,
Subject: Re: Streamliners
From: "Keith Turk" <>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:17:20 -0800
WOW.... cool Jim.... what is a Neophyte to say.... good points all... I
bought my business from a fellow who started a Fiberglass camper top
company... we have lots of technology down here to do Fiberglass work....
They have offered to do anything I can bring them in Model or Buck form....
all chopper gun stuff.. kinda nice when you have that Kind of access.... I
still built the current hood scoop out of Sheet Metal.... as it was a
medium that I am familiar with... (a term I would use Loosely) and it only
took a day.... (which is obvious to even the most casual observer) 

The Real Deal is that Next weekend I am going Racing with this ole Camaro..
and expect to have a ton of fun after a long winters work....

I run in C Gas Altered right now with the current motor and last outing we
ran 146.819 on a 153 mph record.... I am hopeful we will get a little
closer to the Record here on the East Coast.... If I know nothing else I
know I will learn a ton about this whole LSR deal... and be that one step
closer to my first outing on the Salt... Keith...

> From: Jim Bickford <>
> To:;
> Subject: Re: Streamliners
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 3:08 PM
> Jack's fiberglass bodies are some of the best I have seen. I wish I
> could do glass as easily as he makes it
> look. Jack goes very fast with them.
> Two of the best are Al Teague's and Vesco-Nish's. Both being the result
> many years of evolution and experience. Both other than vertical
> don't have any ground effect devices.Both cars
> go fast without the most powerful engines in their respective classes.
> A streamliner must be built to:
> Survive a crash at speed: You don't need to expend energy like an Indy
> during a crash, there is nothing to
> hit. You do need to keep the chassis intact during the crash to have any
> hope of survival. Then you must
> survive the G-Force of the rolls.
> Fire control: The fire truck and Ed/Chris Shearer can only help when you
> come to a stop. Use 304 stainless tubing for fire extinguisher lines.
> They won't melt like aluminum or clog with rust like carbon steel. Put
> fuel and oil tanks behind you. Run the vent lines out the back of the
> Plug the automatic transmission dip stick tube off. Nish had quite a ride
> when the trans puked oil out the dipstick tube and caught fire. Look for
> other fire sources like this and reduce your exposure to them.
> Comfort: Build the car big enough so you're comfortable and can see the
> track,
> operate all the controls and read all the gauges. Liners reduced cockpit
> space
> often cause your visor and windscreen to fog. Plan on using a helmet
> ventilation
> system. The aerodynamics gained by a smaller car are lost if you're only
> comfortable going 60 mph. Jack is comfortable with his car and goes fast.
> Not all of us might be able to adjust to that small of a car.
> Suspension: If you can, use front and rear suspension. There have been
> cars that could go very fast if the driver's vision wasn't blurred by
> vibration.
> Jim Bickford
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:46 PM
> Subject: Streamliners
> > It is my opinion that Jack Costella's liner is the most advanced
> of
> >streamliner construction existing. I can't imagine a better streamliner
> unless
> >it incorporates downforce, which Jack Is against, building his car more
> like a
> >Hydroplane. Looking for neutral lift.
> > Anybody disagree?                       Rich Fox
> >
> >

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