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RE: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket

To: "'Bryan Vandiver'" <Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: RE: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
From: "Haynes, Mark" <mhaynes@ball.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:19:46 -0600
Cc: "'spridgets@autox.team.net'" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Reply-to: "Haynes, Mark" <mhaynes@ball.com>
Sender: owner-spridgets@autox.team.net
Brian- The copper doesn't act as a gasket by itself, since it won't deform
under the slight (relatively) pressure applied by the Head Bolts, it acts
more as a shim and thermal conductor than anything else. The 'thick coat' of
Copper Coat should, even with 3 coats, be no more than about .005" thick (if
properly applied). The use of copper coat itself, which contains copper as a
primary ingredient (hence the name) maintains the thermal transmission
capacity of the copper head gasket. Even with a Fel-Pro gasket, I, myself,
would still apply 3 coats of Copper Coat. Just my .02
Mark Haynes
'62 HAN6

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Vandiver [SMTP:Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:29 AM
> To:   spridgets@autox.team.net
> Subject:      (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
> 
> Thanks everyone for all the great feedback!
> 
> I pulled the head last night, and here's what I found...
> 
> The gasket didn't really 'blow'. The copper gasket itself appeared to be
> in OK 
> condition, however it was clear that it failed to seal almost
> everywhere!(gives 
> a new meaning to the term 'top-oiling' the pistons). It was very clear,
> because 
> of 'staining on the gasket, that coolant, and oil was not being sealed at
> all. 
> Pistons 2&3 also appeared to be sharing compression. I'm really surprised
> my 
> engine was running as well as it was, since I just thought it ran a little
> 
> rougher than it should!
> In any case, I pick up the felpro gasket I have on order today. I will
> also 
> check the head and top of the engine again with a straight edge to see if
> they 
> should be resurfaced, but if there was a problem there, I would have
> expected a 
> leak in a specific area.
> As far as the 'copper gasket' (made in England) goes... the over whelming
> advice 
> is to make sure it has about three coats of copper spray gasket sealer on
> it 
> before using. This to me goes against all logic of what a a copper gasket
> is all 
> about. 
> 
> a) if a head 'gasket' doesn't seal without putting a thick coat of gasket 
> sealing material on it, then, that should have been specified when I
> bought it.
> 
> b) the whole reason for using a 'copper' gasket, is to promote a more even
> 
> cooling of the head, but in order for this to work, you need 'direct'
> metal to 
> metal contact between the copper, and head/engine. 
> 
> But since you have to do 'a' to make the gasket work, then 'b' is no
> longer 
> valid - so what's the point???
> 
> In any case, thanks everyone, and if all goes well, I'll have the bugeye
> back on 
> the road by Saturday :-
> 
> BTW - For the Felpro gasket, should both the head and engine, be complete
> clean 
> and dry before installing, or is a light coat of oil OK???
> 
>  - Regards,
>  Bryan Vandiver (59-bugeye)
>  San Jose, CA

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