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Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question

To: "lotuspilot@frontier.com" <lotuspilot@frontier.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question
From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:50:22 -0400
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The 948 road draft tube may not be enough.  Also, the road draft tube really=
 only works when the car is going down the road.  The end of the tube is cut=
 at an angle which causes a slight vacuum in the tube and draws vapors out o=
f the engine.  Sitting in your garage running =3D no vacuum in the tube.=20

Which car is this motor going in?  Red Bugeye, grey Sprite, or a Seven?

Sent from my keyboard

> On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:54 PM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <spridgets@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
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> Rick and Jim,
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> The Huffaker was/is a very tweaked (for its time) A-series 948 that was bl=
ack crinkle painted and lots of chrome etc as well as 1/8 inch milled off of=
 the block, Arias domed pistons etc. =20
>=20
> I did something that may have caused this and I will explain.  I purposely=
 used a regular 948cc draught pipe in place of what the Huffaker was origina=
lly.  This engine has mucho original chrome goodies such as the tappet cover=
s and the original tappet side cover had what was used on the later 1098cc S=
pridgets - the canister just like the front on the 1275cc engine but coming o=
ut of the tappet cover.  I wonder if that had anything to do with it.  I am g=
oing to put that on this evening and put oil back in the Exxon Valdez again -=
 this time kitty litter under it and see what happens.  I may have to do the=
 old trick of putting another crankcase vent in the fuel pump blocking plate=
.  I just dread having to pull the engine when it is so close.  Everyone kee=
p your fingers crossed!
>=20
> Mike
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>=20
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 12:32 PM, bmwwxman . via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
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> Is the Huffaker built from the standard A series?  If so, there is no rear=
 main seal.  Instead they have a "Scroll" seal on the outside of the rear ma=
in bearing.  There is a spiral groove on the rear of the crank shaft which i=
s supposed to *draw* the oil back into the engine.  However, if you have too=
 much crank case pressure the scroll seal can't overcome it and it will weep=
 oil which then collects in the bottom of the bell housing and pours out ont=
o your driveway. =20
>=20
> Before you pull the engine again, check your crank case pressure.  On my s=
tandard 1275 A series I had this problem....  I ended up drilling the side o=
f the block and installing a pressure relief hose into a small K&N filter.  T=
here are a couple of *fixes* for this including a kit that Mo$$ offers to re=
place the rear scroll seal with a better seal but it ain't cheap.  Another m=
ethod is a fix whereby you drill a channel into the scroll and the rear main=
 bearing cap and tighten up the tolerance but if you screw that up you are o=
ut a rear main cap which is not replaceable because it is line bored.   Don'=
t ask.
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> Good luck with it.
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> Cheers!!
> Jim=20
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> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:53 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
> I was hoping it was just an internal pressure issue.  I may not be so luck=
y.  I guess that I can change that by pulling the engine and removing the fl=
ywheel.  I would love to try the straight cut gearbox somehow if possible.
>=20
> Any other ideas.
>=20
> Thanks a bunch,
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> Mike
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> On Monday, March 30, 2015 10:23 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <spridgets=
@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Hi Guys and Gals,
>=20
> I just rebuilt a Huffaker race engine that had been stored away for decade=
s.  I started it after the rebuild and all looked well after I discovered th=
at I had the distributor drive gear in 180 out.  That took me a while to fig=
ure out until I replaced all of the plug wires 1 went to 4 and 4 went to 1 a=
nd 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.
>=20
> Ok.  Here is my real question after running for about 20 minutes with vary=
ing engine speed, I noticed that about a quart and a half of oil decided it d=
idn't wish to stay in the engine any longer and was being deposited on the d=
riveway by way of the hole in the bottom of the transmission.  What happened=
 here?  What should I check?
>=20
> By the way, the engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high comp=
ression.  It sounded spectacular.  I am dying to drive it once I get you all=
 to give me some idea of what may have happened.
>=20
> Thanks a bunch for all of your thoughts.
>=20
> Mike C
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>The 948 road draft tube may not be eno=
ugh. &nbsp;Also, the road draft tube really only works when the car is going=
 down the road. &nbsp;The end of the tube is cut at an angle which causes a s=
light vacuum in the tube and draws vapors out of the engine. &nbsp;Sitting i=
n your garage running =3D no vacuum in the tube.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><=
div>Which car is this motor going in? &nbsp;Red Bugeye, grey Sprite, or a Se=
ven?<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><br>On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:54 PM=
, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net=
">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helve=
ticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_73100">Rick and Jim,</span></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14277=
14597738_73103">The Huffaker was/is a very tweaked (for its time) A-series 9=
48 that was black crinkle painted and lots of chrome etc as well as 1/8 inch=
 milled off of the block, Arias domed pistons etc. &nbsp;</span></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_1_1427714597738_83491">I did something that may have caused this and I wil=
l explain. &nbsp;I purposely used a regular 948cc draught pipe in place of w=
hat the Huffaker was originally. &nbsp;This engine has mucho original chrome=
 goodies such as the tappet covers and the original tappet side cover had wh=
at was used on the later 1098cc Spridgets - the canister just like the front=
 on the 1275cc engine but coming out of the tappet cover. &nbsp;I wonder if t=
hat had anything to do with it. &nbsp;I am going to put that on this evening=
 and put oil back in the Exxon Valdez again - this time kitty litter under i=
t and see what happens. &nbsp;I may have to do the old trick of putting anot=
her crankcase vent in the fuel pump blocking plate. &nbsp;I just dread havin=
g to pull the engine when it is so close. &nbsp;Everyone keep your fingers c=
rossed!</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"ltr"=
><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1427714597738_71030" dir=3D"=
ltr"><span>Mike</span></div>  <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div=
><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div style=3D"font-f=
amily: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-=
serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetic=
a Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div=
 dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Monday, March 30, 2015 12:=
32 PM, bmwwxman . via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.n=
et">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <di=
v class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv0690469726"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Is the Huffaker built from the standard A series?&nbsp; If so, there is no r=
ear main seal.&nbsp; Instead they have a "Scroll" seal on the outside of the=
 rear main bearing.&nbsp; There is a spiral groove on the rear of the crank s=
haft which is supposed to *draw* the oil back into the engine.&nbsp; However=
, if you have too much crank case pressure the scroll seal can't overcome it=
 and it will weep oil which then collects in the bottom of the bell housing a=
nd pours out onto your driveway. &nbsp;<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Be=
fore you pull the engine again, check your crank case pressure.&nbsp; On my s=
tandard 1275 A series I had this problem....&nbsp; I ended up drilling the s=
ide of the block and installing a pressure relief hose into a small K&amp;N f=
ilter.&nbsp; There are a couple of *fixes* for this including a kit that Mo$=
$ offers to replace the rear scroll seal with a better seal but it ain't che=
ap.&nbsp; Another method is a fix whereby you drill a channel into the scrol=
l and the rear main bearing cap and tighten up the tolerance but if you scre=
w that up you are out a rear main cap which is not replaceable because it is=
 line bored. &nbsp; Don't ask.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Good l=
uck with it.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Cheers!!<br clear=3D"no=
ne">Jim&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"yiv0690469726gmail_extra"><br clear=3D=
"none"><div class=3D"yiv0690469726gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:53 A=
M, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0690469726gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div=
 class=3D"yiv0690469726yqt6890539971" id=3D"yiv0690469726yqt93474"><div><div=
 style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvet=
ica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span>I was hoping it was just an internal pressure issue.&nbsp; I=
 may not be so lucky.&nbsp; I guess that I can change that by pulling the en=
gine and removing the flywheel.&nbsp; I would love to try the straight cut g=
earbox somehow if possible.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=3D"=
none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Any other ideas.</span></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Than=
ks a bunch,</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Mike</span></div>  <br clear=3D"none"><div><br cle=
ar=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"display:block;"> <div sty=
le=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Gr=
ande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, H=
elvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">=
<div><div class=3D"yiv0690469726h5"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial">=
 On Monday, March 30, 2015 10:23 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.ne=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div>  <br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none"> </div></div><div><div><div class=3D"yiv0690469726h5"><div><di=
v><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, H=
elvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Guys and Gals,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I just rebuilt a Huffaker race engine that had been s=
tored away for decades.&nbsp; I started it after the rebuild and all looked w=
ell after I discovered that I had the distributor drive gear in 180 out.&nbs=
p; That took me a while to figure out until I replaced all of the plug wires=
 1 went to 4 and 4 went to 1 and 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ok.&nbsp; Here is my real question a=
fter running for about 20 minutes with varying engine speed, I noticed that a=
bout a quart and a half of oil decided it didn't wish to stay in the engine a=
ny longer and was being deposited on the driveway by way of the hole in the b=
ottom of the transmission.&nbsp; What happened here?&nbsp; What should I che=
ck?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">By the w=
ay, the engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high compression.&n=
bsp; It sounded spectacular.&nbsp; I am dying to drive it once I get you all=
 to give me some idea of what may have happened.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks a bunch for all of your thoughts=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike C</di=
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