spridgets
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question

To: Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>, lotuspilot@frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question
From: Gerard via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 18:13:37 -0700
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: spridgets@autox.team.net
References: <mailman.16.1427738403.12462.spridgets@autox.team.net>
--===============7500549358724468255==


--Apple-Mail=_5812EA4F-9DFD-4346-B829-6814ACDDD14F
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        charset=utf-8

The 948 and early 1098 engines were not designed for PCV and, as =
mentioned, only had a draught tube. Obviously this doesn=E2=80=99t do =
anything unless the car is moving.  Adding additional vents does =
sometimes help, but it usually will not cure the problem entirely. =
Setting up a PVC is beneficial too, but again, does not always work. =
YMMV

There are multiple issues to get the scroll seal to function properly. =
For one thing, it=E2=80=99s not uncommon for the surface that faces the =
gap to get wear either from actual contact or from ingress/egress of =
debris. This abrasion can destroy the required tolerance to function =
properly. Correct tolerance is .0015" to .004=E2=80=9D. So, what would =
be recommended when rebuilding an engine, is to set the half moon piece =
before it is line bored and than not remove it. This will clean up the =
surface, store the tolerance, and have it centered. I have photos of the =
kind of damage I mention above, but unfortunately cannot post photos =
here. This is the best case scenario for potential success, but often =
times they will still weep or leak anyway. Even if they don=E2=80=99t =
leak much when running, chances are they will drip, drip, drip when you =
shut off the engine. I have been successful doing it this way. However,  =
if you really want to cure the leak, the seal kit I have is the only =
sure cure. I have these on about a dozen race engines around the country =
and many more on street cars. Everybody is very happy with the results, =
even Hap Waldrop, who, because of his experience with the Moss kit, =
didn=E2=80=99t believe it would work. After installing two on customer =
cars, he gave this endorsement:

http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?3,2681890,2681890#msg-2681890 =
<http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?3,2681890,2681890#msg-2681890>

I have one particular well known shop who has installed more than 5 with =
great results.

See more about it here:

http://gerardsgarage.com/Garage/Tech/SealKit/SealKit.htm

Gerard

> On Mar 30, 2015, at 11:00 AM, spridgets-request@autox.team.net wrote:
>=20
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:16:16 +0000 (UTC)
> To: Spridgets List <spridgets@autox.team.net =
> Subject: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question
> Message-ID:
>       <928517665.1380486.1427721376934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com =
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
>=20
> Hi Guys and Gals,
> I just rebuilt a Huffaker race engine that had been stored away for =
decades. ?I started it after the rebuild and all looked well after I =
discovered that I had the distributor drive gear in 180 out. ?That took =
me a while to figure out until I replaced all of the plug wires 1 went =
to 4 and 4 went to 1 and 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.
> Ok. ?Here is my real question after running for about 20 minutes with =
varying engine speed, I noticed that about a quart and a half of oil =
decided it didn't wish to stay in the engine any longer and was being =
deposited on the driveway by way of the hole in the bottom of the =
transmission. ?What happened here? ?What should I check?
> By the way, the engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high =
compression. ?It sounded spectacular. ?I am dying to drive it once I get =
you all to give me some idea of what may have happened.
> Thanks a bunch for all of your thoughts.
> Mike C


--Apple-Mail=_5812EA4F-9DFD-4346-B829-6814ACDDD14F
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">The 948 and early 1098 engines were not designed for PCV and, =
as mentioned, only had a draught tube. Obviously this doesn=E2=80=99t do =
anything unless the car is moving. &nbsp;Adding additional vents does =
sometimes help, but it usually will not cure the problem entirely. =
Setting up a PVC is beneficial too, but again, does not always work. =
YMMV<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There are =
multiple issues to get the scroll seal to function properly. For one =
thing, it=E2=80=99s not uncommon for the surface that faces the gap to =
get wear either from actual contact or from ingress/egress of debris. =
This abrasion can destroy the required tolerance to function properly. =
Correct tolerance is .0015" to .004=E2=80=9D. So, what would be =
recommended when rebuilding an engine, is to set the half moon piece =
before it is line bored and than not remove it. This will clean up the =
surface, store the tolerance, and have it centered. I have photos of the =
kind of damage I mention above, but unfortunately cannot post photos =
here. This is the best case scenario for potential success, but often =
times they will still weep or leak anyway. Even if they don=E2=80=99t =
leak much when running, chances are they will drip, drip, drip when you =
shut off the engine. I have been successful doing it this way. However, =
&nbsp;if you really want to cure the leak, the seal kit I have is the =
only sure cure. I have these on about a dozen race engines around the =
country and many more on street cars. Everybody is very happy with the =
results, even Hap Waldrop, who, because of his experience with the Moss =
kit, didn=E2=80=99t believe it would work. After installing two on =
customer cars, he gave this endorsement:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?3,2681890,2681890#msg-2681890=
" =
class=3D"">http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?3,2681890,2681890#msg-2681=
890</a></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
have one particular well known shop who has installed more than 5 with =
great results.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">See more about it here:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://gerardsgarage.com/Garage/Tech/SealKit/SealKit.htm"; =
class=3D"">http://gerardsgarage.com/Garage/Tech/SealKit/SealKit.htm</a></d=
iv><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Gerard</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 30, 2015, at 11:00 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:spridgets-request@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">spridgets-request@autox.team.net</a> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">Message: 5</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:16:16 +0000 =
(UTC)</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">From: "</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:lotuspilot@frontier.com"; style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D"">lotuspilot@frontier.com</a><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">" &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:lotuspilot@frontier.com"; style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D"">lotuspilot@frontier.com</a><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">&gt;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">To: Spridgets List =
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">spridgets@autox.team.net</a><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">&gt;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Subject: [Spridgets] 995 =
Huffaker race engine question</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Message-ID:</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">      =
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:928517665.1380486.1427721376934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.c=
om" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">928517665.1380486.1427721376934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com</=
a><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&gt;</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; =
charset=3D"utf-8"</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi Guys and =
Gals,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I just rebuilt a Huffaker =
race engine that had been stored away for decades. ?I started it after =
the rebuild and all looked well after I discovered that I had the =
distributor drive gear in 180 out. ?That took me a while to figure out =
until I replaced all of the plug wires 1 went to 4 and 4 went to 1 and 3 =
to 2 and 2 to 3.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Ok. ?Here is my real =
question after running for about 20 minutes with varying engine speed, I =
noticed that about a quart and a half of oil decided it didn't wish to =
stay in the engine any longer and was being deposited on the driveway by =
way of the hole in the bottom of the transmission. ?What happened here? =
?What should I check?</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">By the way, the engine is =
running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high compression. ?It sounded =
spectacular. ?I am dying to drive it once I get you all to give me some =
idea of what may have happened.</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">Thanks a bunch for all of your =
thoughts.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Mike =
C</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_5812EA4F-9DFD-4346-B829-6814ACDDD14F--

--===============7500549358724468255==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

------------------------

spridgets@autox.team.net


Archive: http://www.team.net/archive

--===============7500549358724468255==--

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>