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Re: Brake pipe woes

To: Tim Taylor <tim@mail.versa.com>
Subject: Re: Brake pipe woes
From: Malcolm Walker <walker05@camosun.bc.ca>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net
On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Tim Taylor wrote:

> I was replacing the 22 year old brake hose on my 76 tr6.   While working
> the hose free some  trauma  was inflicted on the brake  pipe fitting where
> it connects to the hose on the body of the care.  The pipe came completely
> disconnected from the threaded fitting.  I don't no if the flared part of
> the pipe just got pressed out, or if the very end snapped off.  Either way
> there is plenty of pipe left and the threaded part is still in good shape.
> I'm asking for advice on the best way to proceed...

Buy a pipe bender and new brake hose.  Steel hoses cost around $5,
Stainless cost more.

You could even invest in a bunch of bulk hose to practice bending.

Problems with flaring them yourself: Triumph uses 2 kinds of flares:
Bubble flare (looks like a mushroom), which are difficult to do, and
Double flare (looks like a funnel), which are also difficult to do.  I can
only do Double flares.  For Bubbles, I buy brake hoses with the ends
pre-flared.

To determine what you need, you have to look at the female fitting.  You
need a taper and a seat in order to seal the pressures involved in brakes.
Whatever shape is at the bottom of the fitting- you need the opposite on
your hose.

> #1  Find some way to "re-flare" the end,(is there a tool for this, or do
> you find things to jam in there until the end flares out the desired
> length) rub some teflon-tape like sealant on it, screw it onto the hose and
> it's ready to go.

Teflon tape does no good with brake pipes.  The threads do NOT seal the
fluid out- the flare at the end does.  I also think that the Teflon reacts
with the glycols in the brake fluid, causing something corrosive to happen
(read instant rust!) - don't mess around.

However, it IS a good idea to get a tiny bit of nevr-seez or thick grease
on brake fittings so that they won't snap off 30 years down the road.

> #2 Disconnect the pipe at  the nearest junction and bring it to a brake
> shop that will either bend a new pipe, or flare the end for me.
> 
> I realize that I'm probably going to have to go with option #2, but I was
> hoping there would be a way to get away with not having to remove the pipe
> from the car.

Replace it anyway.  If it's fatigued in one point, it may be fatigued in
another.  I've blown steel brake lines (luckily, while at a stand still)-
and for the few bucks it costs to replace it, it's a safer way to go.

Hmm, methinks I will add some brake-line-and-flares stuff to the FAQ

-Malcolm
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