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RE: rust removal / rust prevention

To: "'Doug Hamilton'" <douglasehamilton@shaw.ca>, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: rust removal / rust prevention
From: Mark Hooper <mhooper@pixelsystems.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:54:31 -0500
Of course all boat motors and shafting have a sacrificial anode of zinc
attached. They don't seem to need any electrical connection. 

Mark Hooper


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hamilton [mailto:douglasehamilton@shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:37 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: rust removal / rust prevention


There are 2 very different methods of galvanizing commonly used. One is 
the hot dip galvanizing used mostly on nails and similar applications 
where appearance doesn't matter the part is dipped in a molten tin zinc 
mixture. The other is electro galvanizing which leaves a smooth finish 
like you see on furnace pipes, garbage cans, etc. This method is what 
the auto manufacturers use but it has a flaw that is common to most 
plating applications that use an anode, when you have complex shapes 
like a car body you get anode shadowing. This is when the side of the 
part facing away from the plating anode receives little if any plating 
(boxed in parts or folded fender lips). An excellent example of anode 
shadowing is the back of a chrome bumper, there is always a much thinner 
layer of plating on the back unless the plating shop flips the bumper 
around during the plating process( they charge extra for this). The 
other catch is how long do they plate the part this controls the 
thickness of the plating and the cost.

There is an entire industry out there dedicated to cathodic protection 
of equipment it's an expensive process that requires a lot of up keep 
but for pipelines and off shore oil rigs it's the worth the money. I've 
never seen one of those car protection kits that had any form of 
sacrificial anode as part of the kit so I don't see how they could do 
anything but erode cash from your wallet. The industrial systems work by 
applying a charge between the part you are protecting( the cathode ) and 
a sacrificial anode while they sit in some form of electrolyte( water, 
soil, etc. ) thus almost all the erosion will take place on the anode 
and protect the the equipment, that's the readers digest version of it 
there is allot of engineering and maintenance required to make it work. 
There has to be something sacrificial for rust protection to work, an 
anode (electrolytic protection) or the galvanized coating.
my $0.02 on the subject

Doug Hamilton
1960 TR3A
1963 Fiat Cabriolet

>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:42:27 EST
>From: ZoboHerald@aol.com
>Subject: Re: rust removal / rust prevention
>
>Someone wrote:
>
>>>> > Many (most?) modern cars are galvanised and will not rust, with or
without
>>>> > electronic corrosion protection....
>>>
>
>Perhaps the galvanizing process varies depending upon who does it, or
perhaps it has gotten better in recent years? One of the "selling points" of
the 1974 Volvo my mom bought new was that the sheet metal was all galvanized
(in addition to all of the wonderful Volvo undercoating/rustproofing). Well,
maybe the Belgian Volvo assembly plant didn't do all that good a job (no
offense to any Belgian listers -- and Belgian-built Triumphs always seemed
to hold up about as well rust-wise as any other Triumphs). That Volvo was
seriously rusty within about five years, much more so than any of the
earlier Volvos I owned at the same time.
>
>On the other hand, I've some fairly old galvanized buckets, garbage cans
and washtubs around and about the barn (from its dairy cow and horse days).
They're still in pretty good shape.  [;-)] 
>
>- --Andy Mace

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