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Subject: Re: [TR] High Torque Starters
From: "dave n" <dave@ranteer.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 16:25:00 -0500
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mine came loose a couple years ago.  It allowed the starter to move =
about.  which caused the major power cable tab to move back and forth =
sufficiently that it snapped off due to metal fatigue and the car =
unceremoniously stopped dead.  no power as the cable was floating in =
space.  could have caused some interesting pyrotechnics had it hit a =
metal surface and grounded.

From: Dave=20
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 7:19 AM
To: ahwahneetr@gmail.com ; tr3a58@verizon.net=20
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [TR] High Torque Starters

What is the torque values for those bolts?=20

I'll bet no one knows.  Too much and you'll strip the threads.  Too =
loose and they will loosen up.  Without proper torquing the only =
reliable way to keep them tight is with lock washers or Loctite(R).  =
Pick your poison.

BTW, after four years the starter on the TR6 has had no such issues.  =
Yet.



Dave Massey




-----Original Message-----
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail.com>
To: Dean Tetterton <tr3a58@verizon.net>
Cc: TR3/6 List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 4, 2016 2:37 am
Subject: Re: [TR] High Torque Starters


What sort of lock washers were used?

For connections with a reputation of coming loose I use Nord-Locks (or a =
generic knock-off of same).  In one particularly difficult-to-hold =
location a combination of Nord-Locks and socket cap screws worked very =
well.

Geo

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Dean Tetterton <tr3a58@verizon.net> =
wrote:

  List
          Over the past 6 month's I have had 3 different Triumph's to =
have the 2 allen head bolts that hold the Adapter block to the starter =
motor to come loose. The first was a friends TR3 starter and then the =
starter on my TR4 race car and yesterday the starter on my street TR4. =
These are Allen head metric bolts about 2 inches long. Is there an =
epidemic going around my area? Put these back in with red loctite. Hope =
that does it. Getting fast at taking starters out. Check and see if =
your's are loose before they fall out.

  Dean T.



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<DIV>mine came loose a couple years ago.&nbsp; It allowed the starter to =
move=20
about.&nbsp; which caused the major power cable tab to move back and =
forth=20
sufficiently that it snapped off due to metal fatigue and the car=20
unceremoniously stopped dead.&nbsp; no power as the cable was floating =
in=20
space.&nbsp; could have caused some interesting pyrotechnics had it hit =
a metal=20
surface and grounded.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Ddave1massey@cs.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>Dave</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 4, 2016 7:19 AM</DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com";>ahwahneetr@gmail.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dtr3a58@verizon.net =
href=3D"mailto:tr3a58@verizon.net";>tr3a58@verizon.net</A>=20
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dtriumphs@autox.team.net=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] High Torque Starters</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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color=3Dblack size=3D4 face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT =
size=3D4>What is the=20
torque values for those bolts? <BR><BR>I'll bet no one knows.&nbsp; Too =
much and=20
you'll strip the threads.&nbsp; Too loose and they will loosen up.&nbsp; =
Without=20
proper torquing the only reliable way to keep them tight is with lock =
washers or=20
Loctite(R).&nbsp; Pick your poison.<BR><BR>BTW, after four years the =
starter on=20
the TR6 has had no such issues.&nbsp; Yet.<BR></FONT>
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<DIV style=3D"CLEAR: both"><FONT size=3D4>Dave =
Massey</FONT><BR><BR></DIV>
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Message-----<BR>From: Geo Hahn &lt;ahwahneetr@gmail.com&gt;<BR>To: Dean=20
Tetterton &lt;tr3a58@verizon.net&gt;<BR>Cc: TR3/6 List=20
&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<BR>Sent: Sun, Sep 4, 2016 2:37 =
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Re: [TR] High Torque Starters<BR><BR>
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<DIV>What sort of lock washers were used?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>For connections with a reputation of coming loose I use Nord-Locks =
(or a=20
generic knock-off of same).&nbsp; In one particularly difficult-to-hold =
location=20
a combination of Nord-Locks and socket cap screws worked very =
well.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Geo</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Dean Tetterton =
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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0px 0.8ex">List<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Over the past 6 month's I have had 3 different Triumph's to have the 2 =
allen=20
  head bolts that hold the Adapter block to the starter motor to come =
loose. The=20
  first was a friends TR3 starter and then the starter on my TR4 race =
car and=20
  yesterday the starter on my street TR4. These are Allen head metric =
bolts=20
  about 2 inches long. Is there an epidemic going around my area? Put =
these back=20
  in with red loctite. Hope that does it. Getting fast at taking =
starters out.=20
  Check and see if your's are loose before they fall out.<BR><BR>Dean=20
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