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Re: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks with tel

To: Will Daehler <will.daehler@gmail.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks with telescopic rear shock conversions
From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 18:01:58 +0000
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Thread-topic: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks with telescopic rear shock conversions
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Hi Will-

Moss-Europe still shows the kit for the TR2-4 live axle cars.
https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/steering-suspens=
ion/rear-suspension/telescopic-conversion-bracket-kits-tr2-4a.html

It seems a bit involved with brackets needed to be welded to the differenti=
al axle tubes.


A couple of thoughts on the rattle - I'd check the shock links very careful=
ly as one step.  The rubber inside the link can perish so you can get a rat=
tle even though the link looks ok.  The number one problem I had was the le=
ver shock mounts would come loose and the shock would move a bit creating a=
 noise.  Those bolts are hard to access, some use a socket headed bolt to g=
et better torque on them.

If you are convinced its the shocks, you could test the theory by removing =
them and driving around for a while - the car will bounce more but if it st=
ill rattles it means the shocks weren't the problem.  I had a rattle from t=
he muffler hitting the frame which might be a possibility.

Cheers
Randy

________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Will Daehler =
<will.daehler@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 10:34 AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks with t=
elescopic rear shock conversions


When going over bumps in my TR4 I have quite a rattle from the right rear a=
rea of my car.  I have poked around by the axle, and thought I have fixed t=
he problem a couple of times.  I have replaced the springs and refilled the=
 Armstrong shocks.  I have poked around. While looking through my Moss cata=
log I noticed the kits for replacing the Armstrong shocks with these bracke=
ts that you could mount shock absorbers to. But the kits are NLS.  No Longe=
r Supplied.  I was wondering why the kits  were discontinued.  It could hav=
e been that they caused damage to the frame, or just didn=92t work.  I was =
hoping somebody had any first-hand knowledge or experience on this topic th=
at they could discuss. I wonder if the racing group all have custom and pro=
prietary set ups.



Will Daehler

63 TR4

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A couple of thoughts on the rattle - I'd check the shock links very careful=
ly as one step.&nbsp; The rubber inside the link can perish so you can get =
a rattle even though the link looks ok.&nbsp; The number one problem I had =
was the lever shock mounts would come loose
 and the shock would move a bit creating a noise.&nbsp; Those bolts are har=
d to access, some use a socket headed bolt to get better torque on them.</d=
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If you are convinced its the shocks, you could test the theory by removing =
them and driving around for a while - the car will bounce more but if it st=
ill rattles it means the shocks weren't the problem.&nbsp; I had a rattle f=
rom the muffler hitting the frame which
 might be a possibility.</div>
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Cheers</div>
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Randy</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 10:34 AM<br>
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When going over bumps in my TR4 I have quite a rattle from the right rear a=
rea of my car.&nbsp; I have poked around by the axle, and thought I have fi=
xed the problem a couple of times.&nbsp; I have replaced the springs and re=
filled the Armstrong shocks.&nbsp; I have poked
 around. While looking through my Moss catalog I noticed the kits for repla=
cing the Armstrong shocks with these brackets that you could mount shock ab=
sorbers to. But the kits are NLS.&nbsp; No Longer Supplied.&nbsp; I was won=
dering why the kits &nbsp;were discontinued.&nbsp; It
 could have been that they caused damage to the frame, or just didn=92t wor=
k.&nbsp; I was hoping somebody had any first-hand knowledge or experience o=
n this topic that they could discuss. I wonder if the racing group all have=
 custom and proprietary set ups.</p>
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Will Daehler</p>
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63 TR4 &nbsp;</p>
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