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Agree with Randy,
Check the shock mounts. Had the same problem on my TR3. Would get noise o=
n bumps and couldn't fine the problem Finally got loose enough that I coul=
d move the shock. Mount holes were rounded out by then. ISTR that there a=
re no lock washers on the mount bolts.
Pete
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Randy and Val=
erie DeRuiter
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:02 PM
To: Will Daehler <will.daehler@gmail.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks wi=
th telescopic rear shock conversions
Hi Will-
Moss-Europe still shows the kit for the TR2-4 live axle cars.
https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/steering-suspens=
ion/rear-suspension/telescopic-conversion-bracket-kits-tr2-4a.html
It seems a bit involved with brackets needed to be welded to the differenti=
al axle tubes.
A couple of thoughts on the rattle - I'd check the shock links very careful=
ly as one step. The rubber inside the link can perish so you can get a rat=
tle even though the link looks ok. The number one problem I had was the le=
ver shock mounts would come loose and the shock would move a bit creating a=
noise. Those bolts are hard to access, some use a socket headed bolt to g=
et better torque on them.
If you are convinced its the shocks, you could test the theory by removing =
them and driving around for a while - the car will bounce more but if it st=
ill rattles it means the shocks weren't the problem. I had a rattle from t=
he muffler hitting the frame which might be a possibility.
Cheers
Randy
________________________________
.daehler@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks with t=
elescopic rear shock conversions
When going over bumps in my TR4 I have quite a rattle from the right rear a=
rea of my car. I have poked around by the axle, and thought I have fixed t=
he problem a couple of times. I have replaced the springs and refilled the=
Armstrong shocks. I have poked around. While looking through my Moss cata=
log I noticed the kits for replacing the Armstrong shocks with these bracke=
ts that you could mount shock absorbers to. But the kits are NLS. No Longe=
r Supplied. I was wondering why the kits were discontinued. It could hav=
e been that they caused damage to the frame, or just didn't work. I was ho=
ping somebody had any first-hand knowledge or experience on this topic that=
they could discuss. I wonder if the racing group all have custom and propr=
ietary set ups.
Will Daehler
63 TR4
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agree with Randy,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Check the shock mounts. Had the same problem o=
n my TR3. Would get noise on bumps and couldn’t fine the proble=
m Finally got loose enough that I could move the shock. Mount h=
oles were rounded out by then. ISTR that there are no lock
washers on the mount bolts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Randy and Valerie DeRuiter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Will Daehler <will.daehler@gmail.com>; triumphs@autox.team=
.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever sh=
ocks with telescopic rear shock conversions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Will=
-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Moss-Eu=
rope still shows the kit for the TR2-4 live axle cars. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href=
=3D"https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/steering-sus=
pension/rear-suspension/telescopic-conversion-bracket-kits-tr2-4a.html">htt=
ps://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/steering-suspension=
/rear-suspension/telescopic-conversion-bracket-kits-tr2-4a.html</a><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It seem=
s a bit involved with brackets needed to be welded to the differential axle=
tubes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">A coupl=
e of thoughts on the rattle - I'd check the shock links very carefully as o=
ne step. The rubber inside the link can perish so you can get a rattl=
e even though the link looks ok. The number
one problem I had was the lever shock mounts would come loose and the shoc=
k would move a bit creating a noise. Those bolts are hard to access, =
some use a socket headed bolt to get better torque on them.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If you =
are convinced its the shocks, you could test the theory by removing them an=
d driving around for a while - the car will bounce more but if it still rat=
tles it means the shocks weren't the
problem. I had a rattle from the muffler hitting the frame which mig=
ht be a possibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Cheers<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Randy<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
style=3D"color:black"> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Will Daeh=
ler <<a href=3D"mailto:will.daehler@gmail.com";>will.daehler@gmail.com</a=
>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.n=
et</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.n=
et</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 Investigating replacing the Armstrong lever shocks=
with telescopic rear shock conversions</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">When going over bumps in my TR4 I have quite a ratt=
le from the right rear area of my car. I have poked around by the axl=
e, and thought I have fixed the problem a couple of times. I have rep=
laced the springs and refilled the Armstrong
shocks. I have poked around. While looking through my Moss catalog I=
noticed the kits for replacing the Armstrong shocks with these brackets th=
at you could mount shock absorbers to. But the kits are NLS. No Longe=
r Supplied. I was wondering why the kits
were discontinued. It could have been that they caused damage =
to the frame, or just didn’t work. I was hoping somebody had an=
y first-hand knowledge or experience on this topic that they could discuss.=
I wonder if the racing group all have custom and proprietary
set ups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Will Daehler<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">63 TR4 <o:p></o:p></p>
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