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Thanks Steve. My oil seal is from TRF and does not have a metal =
housing. The factory TR4A parts book references 56763 as =
=E2=80=9CSupport, timing cover. It=E2=80=99s listed near the oil seal =
and TRF thinks that is the part. Will get the fiber washer too and a =
speedi sleeve since I do have wear marks from previous oil seal. Thanks =
all for the tips. I normally don=E2=80=99t do engine work, but I am =
feeling brave and this isn=E2=80=99t my daily driver. How nice it is to =
walk away when frustrated and grab a beer and not worry about getting =
the car running to use next day.
Jim
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From: Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>=20
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 3:21 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>; 'Cliff Hansen' =
<cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
Cc: 'TR List' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
The metal =E2=80=9Chousing=E2=80=9D is part of the seal. Moss 520-000. =
Also order 324-680, the seal for the pedestal stud mentioned by someone =
else, plus the other components.
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Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct: (949) 261-8208
Fax: (949) 767-5949
Cell: (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
www.chinaautogroup.com <http://www.chinaautogroup.com>=20
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 12:15 PM
To: 'Cliff Hansen' <cliff_hansen@outlook.com =
>
Subject: Re: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
Cliff:
Thanks for the tips.=20
=20
List:
The oil seal was inside a metal housing pressed into the timing cover. =
I had a heck of a time getting it out and damaged it slightly. See =
attached pictures. Seal1.jpg shows it removed but resting on opening in =
orientation it was installed. I don=E2=80=99t see this part listed on =
Moss or TRF. I am assuming this is the oil seal housing that needs to =
be reused with new seal. Thoughts??
=20
Thanks in advance
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
=20
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com =
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 12:41 PM
>
Subject: RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
Would that bushing be from the rear of the crankshaft, where the input =
shaft of the transmission rides? If so I also have one in my bin, and =
that=E2=80=99s a good tip.
=20
>From the other email, I take it you are already planning to remove the =
timing cover to replace the seal. I would replace the timing chain and =
tensioner, they are not expensive.
=20
The hub pulley may need a speedisleeve if the old seal has worn any =
kind of groove.
=20
When you replace the timing cover, there is a stud in the middle that =
has to have a fiber washer and gasket sealer between the shoulder on the =
stud and the timing cover, otherwise oil will leak at this spot.
=20
I did this job about two years ago, leak free since and that=E2=80=99s a =
good feeling.
=20
Cliff
=20
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Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
Windows 10
=20
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
Cliff, so true. I=E2=80=99m refreshing the 72k orig mile 4A and I =
definitely run into the =E2=80=9Cwhile I=E2=80=99m there, let=E2=80=99s =
fix this too so I don=E2=80=99t have to go there again for another 20 =
years. =20
=20
I took the extension and large crank bolt out. I had a 2 inch long =
thick bronze bushing that fits perfectly on my pulley bolt and flush =
against the crank. That provided the strength to pull the pulleys and =
hub free. =20
=20
Thanks, Jim
=20
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com =
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
The pulley hub is keyed to the front of the crank and probably adhered =
with years of crud. My guess is that=E2=80=99s what sticking. Some PB =
Blaster, and a few raps with a mallet (I use a deadblow) may persuade =
it. It=E2=80=99s difficult to use a puller since there=E2=80=99s nothing =
in the center to push against, unless you can find a short bolt to =
thread in where that large dog bolt was removed.
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Since you are in there, if there=E2=80=99s evidence of oil leaking from =
the timing cover, it=E2=80=99s most likely from the seal between the =
cover and the pulley hub. But I can see how changing that seal would =
slide into even more work (hey there=E2=80=99s the timing chain, I =
should replace that=E2=80=A6) BTDT.
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Here=E2=80=99s hoping the pulley hub cooperates.
Cliff
=20
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Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
Windows 10
=20
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
Cliff,
Yes, I removed the crank bolt. The pulley seems pretty tight. Will see =
about getting it off today. Thanks, Jim=20
=20
On Jul 18, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com =
=EF=BB=BF=20
Jim,
=20
I take it you have removed that enormous bolt through the extension. The =
stock pulley is a two part assembly. You remove the 6 bolts through the =
hub and pulley halves. Then it just pulls off the front of the crank.
=20
Cliff
=20
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
Windows 10
=20
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:57 PM
Subject: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
=20
List:
Converting my 67 4A over to the Bastuck narrow fan belt kit. This kit
retains the fan extension tube and fan. I have the radiator out and =
fan
blade and fan extension removed. I have the stock pulley at the top =
dead
center position (hole at the top). Have not removed one of these =
before.
Any tips on removing would be greatly appreciated. I still have the =
cross
tube and was hoping it could be removed while that is still installed.
Thanks in advance!
Jim henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
67 4A
75 6
81 8
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@outlook.com
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vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Steve.=C2=A0 My oil =
seal is from TRF and does not have a metal housing.=C2=A0 The factory =
TR4A parts book references 56763 as =E2=80=9CSupport, timing cover. =
It=E2=80=99s listed near the oil seal and TRF thinks that is the =
part.=C2=A0 Will get the fiber washer too and a speedi sleeve since I do =
have wear marks from previous oil seal.=C2=A0 Thanks all for the =
tips.=C2=A0 I normally don=E2=80=99t do engine work, but I am feeling =
brave and this isn=E2=80=99t my daily driver.=C2=A0 How nice it is to =
walk away when frustrated and grab a beer and not worry about getting =
the car running to use next day.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Steve Kirby =
<sackirby@chinaautogroup.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 19, =
2021 3:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>; =
'Cliff Hansen' <cliff_hansen@outlook.com><br><b>Cc:</b> 'TR List' =
<triumphs@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Front Pullet =
Hub Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The metal =
=E2=80=9Chousing=E2=80=9D is part of the seal. Moss 520-000. =
Also order 324-680, the seal for the pedestal stud mentioned by someone =
else, plus the other components.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span style=3D'color:#0070C0'>Steve =
Kirby<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>President<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>China Auto Group<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>22831 Avenida Empresa<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Direct: (949) 261-8208<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fax: (949) 767-5949<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cell: (949) 903-0957<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Skype: steve.kirby29<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.chinaautogroup.com">www.chinaautogroup.com</a><o:p></o=
:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Monday, July 19, 2021 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Cliff Hansen' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com">cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>>=
<br><b>Cc:</b> 'TR List' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Front Pullet Hub =
Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for =
the tips. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>List:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The oil seal =
was inside a metal housing pressed into the timing cover. I had a =
heck of a time getting it out and damaged it slightly. See =
attached pictures. Seal1.jpg shows it removed but resting on =
opening in orientation it was installed. I don=E2=80=99t see this =
part listed on Moss or TRF. I am assuming this is the oil seal =
housing that needs to be reused with new seal. =
Thoughts??<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks in advance<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ocala, FL<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Cliff Hansen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com">cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>>=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 19, 2021 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim =
Henningsen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com">trguy75@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b>=
'TR List' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub =
Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Would that =
bushing be from the rear of the crankshaft, where the input shaft of the =
transmission rides? If so I also have one in my bin, and that=E2=80=99s =
a good tip.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>From the other email, I take it you are already =
planning to remove the timing cover to replace the seal. I would replace =
the timing chain and tensioner, they are not expensive.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The hub =
pulley may need a speedisleeve if the old seal has worn any kind =
of groove.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When you replace the timing cover, there is a stud in =
the middle that has to have a fiber washer and gasket sealer between the =
shoulder on the stud and the timing cover, otherwise oil will leak at =
this spot.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I did this job about two years ago, leak free since =
and that=E2=80=99s a good feeling.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for =
Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Monday, July 19, 2021 10:28 AM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com">'Cliff Hansen'</a><br><b>Cc: =
</b><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">'TR =
List'</a><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub =
Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff, so true. I=E2=80=99m refreshing the 72k =
orig mile 4A and I definitely run into the =E2=80=9Cwhile I=E2=80=99m =
there, let=E2=80=99s fix this too so I don=E2=80=99t have to go there =
again for another 20 years. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I took the =
extension and large crank bolt out. I had a 2 inch long thick =
bronze bushing that fits perfectly on my pulley bolt and flush against =
the crank. That provided the strength to pull the pulleys and hub =
free. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks, Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Cliff Hansen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com">cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>>=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 19, 2021 11:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim =
Henningsen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com">trguy75@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject=
:</b> RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The pulley =
hub is keyed to the front of the crank and probably adhered with years =
of crud. My guess is that=E2=80=99s what sticking. Some PB Blaster, and =
a few raps with a mallet (I use a deadblow) may persuade it. =
It=E2=80=99s difficult to use a puller since there=E2=80=99s nothing in =
the center to push against, unless you can find a short bolt to thread =
in where that large dog bolt was removed.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Since you =
are in there, if there=E2=80=99s evidence of oil leaking from the timing =
cover, it=E2=80=99s most likely from the seal between the cover and the =
pulley hub. But I can see how changing that seal would slide into even =
more work (hey there=E2=80=99s the timing chain, I should replace =
that=E2=80=A6) BTDT.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here=E2=80=99s hoping the pulley hub =
cooperates.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for =
Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Monday, July 19, 2021 4:25 AM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com">Cliff Hansen</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>Re: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, I removed the crank bolt. The pulley seems =
pretty tight. Will see about getting it off today. Thanks, =
Jim <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jul 18, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Cliff Hansen =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com">cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I take it =
you have removed that enormous bolt through the extension. The stock =
pulley is a two part assembly. You remove the 6 bolts through the hub =
and pulley halves. Then it just pulls off the front of the =
crank.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for =
Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com">Jim Henningsen</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:57 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">'TR List'</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>[TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>List:<br>Converting my 67 4A over to the Bastuck =
narrow fan belt kit. This kit<br>retains the fan extension tube and =
fan. I have the radiator out and fan<br>blade and fan =
extension removed. I have the stock pulley at the top =
dead<br>center position (hole at the top). Have not removed one of =
these before.<br>Any tips on removing would be greatly =
appreciated. I still have the cross<br>tube and was hoping it =
could be removed while that is still installed.<br>Thanks in =
advance!<br>Jim henningsen<br>Ocala, FL<br>61 3A<br>67 4A<br>75 6<br>81 =
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