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To: richardolindsay@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation
From: DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:42:39 +0000 (UTC)
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 Here in Missouri we had a State Senator, Bud Barnes, who was an old car ad=
vocate and our antique car requirements are quite receptive to the hobby.=
=C2=A0 Antique plates are good forever (no renewal required) and we are all=
owed up to 2000 miles of personal use in addition to mileage to and from of=
ficial events such as parades and car shows.=C2=A0 That is rarely enforced =
and as one police officer who was a member of our local club said "The majo=
r concern of violating this rule is from your insurance company."
Modern cars are subject to a biannual safety inspection and an EECIV scan w=
hich will report any non-compliance with emissions.
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Dave=20

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From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: taylorturbo6 <taylorturbo6@yahoo.com>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 4, 2019 7:32 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation

Same here, Dave. We do have safety and emissions testing on newer cars here=
 in Texas, and a passed test verification is required for the annual licens=
e renewal (about $75). Front license plates are required too but the law is=
 typically ignored, especially for sports cars. All cars 25 years and older=
 are not required to be emissions tested and if one chooses 'antique', 'cla=
ssic', vanity plates, only the rear plate is required. Those specialty plat=
es have a five year renewal, rather than annual, at only a slightly higher =
cost.
Rick
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 6:59 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:

 I used to be up to speed on all the changes but I have forgotten it all.=
=C2=A0 But, perhaps they figured out the earlier systems were overkill and =
the bean counters insisted on cost reductions.
I don't know about your part of the country but here, nobody is looking ove=
r my shoulder so if it ain't up to snuff it's no big deal.
Cheers
=20
Dave=20

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From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: taylorturbo6 <taylorturbo6@yahoo.com>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 4, 2019 6:51 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation

Dave, this is just part of the fun! And I am not at all surprised by the ch=
anges given that this is an emissions issue. On my car, the tank vent is, o=
r was plumbed via another pipe, to a carbon canister in the engine compartm=
ent.
Rick
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 6:19 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:

 If the tube were not connected to that port, yes.=C2=A0 On my car there is=
 a four-way T that connects this port and the ports at each end of the tank=
 to a tube that leads to the vapor separator in the trunk which is in turn =
connected to a tube leading to the charcoal canister.
But it looks like they changed the configuration over the years.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
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From: Richard <taylorturbo6@yahoo.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: richardolindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.ne=
t>
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation

Does this vent placing in the filler neck let gas fumes escape into the tru=
nk area? Which would also mean fumes could creep into the car's interior...=
Dick
On Nov 3, 2019, at 6:47 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:


 No, not all.=C2=A0 The 71 has a port in the filler tube connected to the c=
ap.=C2=A0 Rotating the cap will reposition that tap and necessitate changin=
g the plumbing.=C2=A0 I thought they were all that way.
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: Richard <taylorturbo6@yahoo.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: richardolindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.ne=
t>
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation

On my fuel cap, it's neck that goes down into the clamped hose, can be move=
d around independent of the vent tube on the top of the tank. Aren't they a=
ll?=C2=A0I gill my tank from standing behind the bumper so which side left =
or right the cap opens is immaterial.=C2=A0Dick=C2=A0
On Nov 3, 2019, at 2:34 PM, DAVID MASSEY via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> w=
rote:


 It's not that trivial since the tank vent nipple is mounted to the filler =
and spinning it around will require replumbing the vent tubes.=C2=A0 If you=
 wish to avoid that step check where it was before and go from there.=C2=A0=
 On my car it is hinged on the right.
=20
Dave=20

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From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 10:50 am
Subject: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation

Hello friends,=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you've followed any of the work on my '=
75 US specification TR6 you will know that the following question is probab=
ly irrelevant...but I ask anyway, for your sage advice:
When reinstalling the fuel filler cap, which is the correct orientation? Hi=
nge side toward the front. Or rear? Or to one side or another?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks in advance of your reply.
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<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size="3">Here in Missouri we had a State Senator, Bud Barnes, who 
was an old car advocate and our antique car requirements are quite receptive to 
the hobby.&nbsp; Antique plates are good forever (no renewal required) and we 
are allowed up to 2000 miles of personal use in addition to mileage to and from 
official events such as parades and car shows.&nbsp; That is rarely enforced 
and as one police officer who was a member of our local club said "The major 
concern of violating this rule is from your insurance company."</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">Modern cars are subject to a biannual safety inspection and 
an EECIV scan which will report any non-compliance with emissions.</font><br>
</div>

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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original 
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From: Richard Lindsay &lt;richardolindsay@gmail.com&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt;<br>
Cc: taylorturbo6 &lt;taylorturbo6@yahoo.com&gt;; 6pack 
&lt;6pack@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Nov 4, 2019 7:32 am<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation<br>
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<div>Same here, Dave. We do have safety and emissions testing on newer cars 
here in Texas, and a passed test verification is required for the annual 
license renewal (about $75). Front license plates are required too but the law 
is typically ignored, especially for sports cars. All cars 25 years and older 
are not required to be emissions tested and if one chooses 'antique', 
'classic', vanity plates, only the rear plate is required. Those specialty 
plates have a five year renewal, rather than annual, at only a slightly higher 
cost.
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<div>Rick</div>
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<div class="yiv1060258086gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 6:59 AM 
DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" 
ymailto="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target="_blank" 
removedlink__5b326f16-9d60-40ab-8ee5-02a9004dc416__href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

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<div> <font size="3">I used to be up to speed on all the changes but I have 
forgotten it all.&nbsp; But, perhaps they figured out the earlier systems were 
overkill and the bean counters insisted on cost reductions.</font></div>



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<div><font size="3">I don't know about your part of the country but here, 
nobody is looking over my shoulder so if it ain't up to snuff it's no big 
deal.</font></div>



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<div><font size="3">Cheers</font></div>



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<div style="clear:both;"><font size="4">Dave </font><br clear="none">
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From: Richard Lindsay &lt;<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" 
ymailto="mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; target="_blank" 
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To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" 
ymailto="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target="_blank" 
removedlink__5b326f16-9d60-40ab-8ee5-02a9004dc416__href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;<br
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Cc: taylorturbo6 &lt;<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" 
ymailto="mailto:taylorturbo6@yahoo.com"; target="_blank" 
removedlink__5b326f16-9d60-40ab-8ee5-02a9004dc416__href="mailto:taylorturbo6@yahoo.com";>taylorturbo6@yahoo.com</a>&gt;;
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Sent: Mon, Nov 4, 2019 6:51 am<br clear="none">
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<div>Dave, this is just part of the fun! And I am not at all surprised by the 
changes given that this is an emissions issue. On my car, the tank vent is, or 
was plumbed via another pipe, to a carbon canister in the engine compartment.

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<div>Rick</div>

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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 6:19 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"></div>

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solid;padding-left:1ex;">


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<div> <font size="3">If the tube were not connected to that port, yes.&nbsp; On 
my car there is a four-way T that connects this port and the ports at each end 
of the tank to a tube that leads to the vapor separator in the trunk which is 
in turn connected to a tube leading to the charcoal canister.</font></div>





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<div><font size="3">But it looks like they changed the configuration over the 
years.</font><br clear="none">
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<div style="clear:both;"><font size="4">Dave </font><br clear="none">
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From: Richard &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">taylorturbo6@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
Cc: richardolindsay &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt;; 6pack &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 9:39 pm<br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation<br clear="none">
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<div>Does this vent placing in the filler neck let gas fumes escape into the 
trunk area? Which would also mean fumes could creep into the car's 
interior...</div>





<div>Dick</div>





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<div><br clear="none">On Nov 3, 2019, at 6:47 PM, DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a 
rel="nofollow" shape="rect">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br 
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<div> <font size="3">No, not all.&nbsp; The 71 has a port in the filler tube 
connected to the cap.&nbsp; Rotating the cap will reposition that tap and 
necessitate changing the plumbing.&nbsp; I thought they were all that 
way.</font><br clear="none">
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From: Richard &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">taylorturbo6@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
Cc: richardolindsay &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt;; 6pack &lt;<a rel="nofollow" 
shape="rect">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 6:05 pm<br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fuel filler orientation<br clear="none">
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<div>On my fuel cap, it's neck that goes down into the clamped hose, can be 
moved around independent of the vent tube on the top of the tank. Aren't they 
all?&nbsp;</div>







<div>I gill my tank from standing behind the bumper so which side left or right 
the cap opens is immaterial.&nbsp;</div>







<div>Dick&nbsp;</div>







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<div><br clear="none">On Nov 3, 2019, at 2:34 PM, DAVID MASSEY via 6pack &lt;<a 
rel="nofollow" shape="rect">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br 
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<div> <font size="3">It's not that trivial since the tank vent nipple is 
mounted to the filler and spinning it around will require replumbing the vent 
tubes.&nbsp; If you wish to avoid that step check where it was before and go 
from there.&nbsp; On my car it is hinged on the right.</font><br clear="none">
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shape="rect">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
To: TR6 &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br 
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<div>Hello friends,&nbsp;




<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;If you've followed any of the work on my '75 US specification 
TR6 you will know that the following question is probably irrelevant...but I 
ask anyway, for your sage advice:</div>









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<div>When reinstalling the fuel filler cap, which is the correct orientation? 
Hinge side toward the front. Or rear? Or to one side or another?</div>









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<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks in advance of your reply.</div>









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<div>Rick</div>




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