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Re: [6pack] rear shock conversion

To: Richard <taylorturbo6@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [6pack] rear shock conversion
From: Mitchel Seff via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 18:58:13 -0400
Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
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Hey Dick,

Itâ??s only cheating if ya get caught ð??³

Mitch Seff

> On May 13, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Richard <taylorturbo6@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah Mitch....you cheated!! 
> 
> Dick 
> 
>> On May 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <ms6453@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Dicks explanation of preparation and function. Iâ??m not 
>> denying the failures but rather try and understand why each particular 
>> failure happened. I have also had the VB tube shock bracket with KYB gas 
>> shock on my car for over twenty years with out any failure or sign of metal 
>> fatigue. I also took the extra precaution of adding a support bracket. 
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>> 
>> Mitch Seff
>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Richard Taylor via 6pack 
>>>>> <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> My message here, as told before on different TR6 forums, is that if one 
>>>> wants to convert from lever shocks to tube shocks, it is prudent that when 
>>>> the trailing arm rises the trailing arm bump stop(s) take the force, and 
>>>> not the shock attachment points. This can be checked by removing the road 
>>>> spring and manual lifting the TA up to see where contact is made. In my 
>>>> case, when done approx. 10 years and around 70,000 miles ago. A 1/8 inch 
>>>> spacer was added where it screws to the new TA bump rubbers. Also some 
>>>> shifting around to the shock bump rubbers, so that there was room left in 
>>>> the shock stroke when hard contact was made between the bump stop and the 
>>>> bump rubbers. Also note here that iâ??m running the â??semi-compâ?? road 
>>>> springs, so itâ??s not often that all of the spring compression takes 
>>>> place. 
>>>> I write this not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show that 
>>>> this conversion needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes place. 
>>>> And no, the attachment point from my conversion has never torn loose or 
>>>> welded at any time. I do view this area each time the road wheel is 
>>>> removed for some other reason. 
>>>> So far as what I look for regarding shock operation is not all that 
>>>> scientific. Just press down with my weight on the rear fenders several 
>>>> times and watch the action, I want both bounce and rebound to show a good 
>>>> damping effect. 
>>>> In place is the KYB silver shock conversion, purchased from VB. (A 
>>>> birthday gift from my bride of 30 years) 
>>>> 
>>>> Dick 
>>>>>> On May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack 
>>>>>> <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of Moss Motors, TRF, Vicky 
>>>>> Brit, and others is likely going to result in the shock crossmember being 
>>>>> fractured at the weld to the frame. I have fixed a few of these and this 
>>>>> is a well known failure mode. The best practice if you are going to use 
>>>>> these is to fashion a diagonal brace from the upper shock mount 45 deg 
>>>>> down to the frame. I have seen some made from angle but I made a number 
>>>>> of these from 1" thick wall tube.
>>>>> The problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach but it 
>>>>> imparts fore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures and then 
>>>>> if fails completely and detaches from the frame.
>>>>> The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefore no issues. We 
>>>>> just had another club member suffer such a failure of the shock 
>>>>> crossmember.
>>>>> If you ever have to fix one of these your in for a treat since not only 
>>>>> does it pull away from the frame but it tends to twist that crossmember.
>>>>> This bracket should not be confused with the one TRF sold that the upper 
>>>>> shock mount attaches to the inner rear wheel well. That one has its own 
>>>>> issues.
>>>>> Good luck with that
>>>>> Glenn
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