You'll just have to elaborate on the aluminum roll bar. But we can save
that for Topeka.
:)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Kelly [mailto:lollipop487@home.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:12 PM
To: eric@mail.brown911.com; 'steve hoelscher'; 'colan arnold'; 'rocky
entriken'
Cc: 'Sam & Greg Scharnberg'; 'Sam Strano'; autox@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Tech at Nationals
I'm basically lazy...writing 4.5 is easier than writing four and a
half. His car was probably built in 1965, ours was built in 1960...oh,
my heavens! it's 6.5 years! :)
The point was we did put in a better rollbar, because as time went
on, more is known on how to make a car safer for the driver. In fact,
the rollbar on the 7 as gone through three make-overs, and most recent
strong enough to go through a fence. :) Bruce Camburn's car, the Cobra,
is a very valuable (and on its way to full recovery, I hear) car, which
an old Lotus apparently isn't. He probably effectively argued his case
as a 'historic' car.
As for Chris O's aluminum rollbar, my jaw dropped when he pulled
that one off. I think he did that after he went into D Mod from AP, many
years ago. I recall he was on the solo board or Prepared committee at
the time.
Betcha didn't expect such a long answer. :)
--Pat K
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>From: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>
>To: "'Pat Kelly'" <lollipop487@home.com>, "'Steve Hoelscher'"
<stevehh@hiwaay.net>, "'Colan Arnold'" <carnold@netins.net>, "'Rocky
Entriken'" <rocky@tri.net>
>Cc: "'Sam & Greg Scharnberg'" <samandgreg@qwest.net>, "'Sam Strano'"
<strano@stranoparts.com>, <autox@autox.team.net>
>Subject: RE: Tech at Nationals
>Date: Sat, Sep 1, 2001, 8:05 PM
>
>You're sure it's 4.5, not 4.4 or 4.6?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pat Kelly [mailto:lollipop487@home.com]
>Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:18 PM
>To: Steve Hoelscher; Colan Arnold; Rocky Entriken
>Cc: Sam & Greg Scharnberg; Sam Strano; Eric Salem; autox@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: Tech at Nationals
>
>
>Sort of intrigueing. Roll bar height has been a topic for eons. At one
>point, we were hassled because our rollbar was not two inches above
>John's helmet (I'm shorter-waisted, didn't have a problem). No protest
>was filed, but it was threatened. (Part of the political crap of that
>era) Some of this is the result of ever-improving helmets...they're
>thicker and jut up higher, making a rollbar that was once legal
>illegal. All this leaves me scratching my head...why did we put a
>taller rollbar in if grandfathering is okay? Our car is older than that
>specific Cobra by 4.5 years :) and came with a single behind-the-driver
>hoop. --Pat K
>----------
>>From: "Steve Hoelscher" <stevehh@hiwaay.net>
>>To: "Colan Arnold" <carnold@netins.net>, "Rocky Entriken"
>><rocky@tri.net>
>>Cc: "Sam & Greg Scharnberg" <samandgreg@qwest.net>, "Sam Strano"
><strano@stranoparts.com>, "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>,
><autox@autox.team.net>
>>Subject: RE: Tech at Nationals
>>Date: Sat, Sep 1, 2001, 3:05 PM
>>
>
>>Sorry Colan, but as I understand it, "ALL" does not mean *all*. I
>>offer the 427 Cobra that ran a couple of years ago (before the big
>>accident). The roll bar was clearly below the top of the driver's
>>helmet. As was explained to me when I questioned it, because the
Cobra
>
>>"was" legal however many years ago, it is grandfathered in. I didn't
>>pursue the issue further, so I don't know if that is the whole story
or
>
>>not.
>>
>>Then again, Chris O'Donnell's roll bar doesn't meet "all requirements"
>
>>of appendix C either.
>>
>>Steve Hoelscher,
>>#27 DSP
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]
>>On
>
>>Behalf Of Colan Arnold
>>Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:46 PM
>>To: Rocky Entriken
>>Cc: Sam & Greg Scharnberg; Sam Strano; Eric Salem;
>>autox@autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: Tech at Nationals
>>
>>Please read 3.3.1. Basically it says, If non OEM upper body restraints
>>are used, ALL open cars must have a roll bar meeting all requirements
>>of Appendix C. As
>>usual, ALL means All, not some.
>>
>>In other words, if you use the stock restraints in an open car, no
>>problems, but if you have an open car and don't use stock upper body
>>restraints, you need an
>>Appendix C roll bar. The issue is a shoulder harness will hold the
>driver
>>upright when the car is upside down, the stock restraints will not.
>>
>>Rocky Entriken wrote:
>>
>>> I would suspect that, since rollbars are not required in Stock/SP
>>> (but are "allowed"), they need meet no height spec. Also, in the
case
>
>>> of ragtop
>>cars,
>>> "street" rollbars are often below helmet height because they need to
>>> be in order to put up the top. The point being not to require
>>> something that
>>would
>>> make it impossible to use a Stock/SP car as a daily driver. By
>>> extension, true also of STS cars (and SM? dunno if they have a
>>> rollbar requirement).
>>>
>>> --Rocky
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sam & Greg Scharnberg" <samandgreg@qwest.net>
>>> To: "Sam Strano" <strano@stranoparts.com>; "Eric Salem"
>>> <eric@mail.brown911.com>; <autox@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:30 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Tech at Nationals
>>>
>>> > So, Stock and Street Prepared with roll bars are not a concern
>>> > when
>
>>> > it comes to roll bar height? Hmmm, kinda curious. Seems like
>>> > they
>
>>> > (Stock) roll
>>more
>>> > often
>>> > than a Prepared or Modified. So whose roll bar and driver
>>> > restraint
>>> (Stock
>>> > -Sec 13.2.G&H and Street Prepared -Sec 14.2.G) should tech be
>>> > checking
>>> (Sec
>>> > 3.3.2 and Sec 3.3.3.P)?
>>> >
>>> > Only talking about the Stock and Street Prepared with roll bars,
>>> > Sam
>>> >
>>> > >Legal helmet. No corded tires. Proper sticker placement (don't
>>> > >even
>>> argue
>>> > >with us on this one).
>>> > >
>>> > >Mod and Prepared guys. We will be checking roll-bar heights too.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >Sam Strano Jr.
>>> >
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