You know, one of my favorite movies is Hunt for Red October and there
is a line in that movie, "Those doors are the problem. Could you
launch an ICBM sideways?" the answer comes back, "Sure, but why would
you want to?"
So, why is it again that you need 800 groundpounding, wheel spinning
un-useable power to get around the cones?
I know Viper guys that are up to 1100HP with a new supercharger. Then
they realized they couldn't keep that power on the ground. Then their
half shafts broke. Then they realized why they needed brakes. Hmmm.
800HP out of a small block Ford V8 is probably possible. Reliable?
Steve Saleen is stopping at 575 with a 428 big block for his new S7,
and that will be 0-60 in less than 4 seconds. We'll see if it can get
around the cones...
patrick
--- James Creasy <black94pgt@pacbell.net> wrote:
> im trying to decide how to tune for HP and torque.
>
> borden's car hooked up great with 475 ft lbs and 500 HP, which feels
> really
> fast in a 2000lb car. the steering was very twitchy, but if you
> could hold
> the wheel steady under the 0.9 g's of acceleration it went straight.
> this
> is about the limit of a stock 302 block and tranny if you want
> longevity.
> the stronger 351 block stroked to 392 will support 800+ hp reliably,
> but
> thats probably overkill for autox. (not to mention my drum brakes =))
>
> ive seen two Z8's on the road in the last month. how many of these
> have
> they made??
>
> -james c
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Jones <axng4me@yahoo.com>
> To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:54 PM
> Subject: RE: hp, torque, and autox
>
>
> > Viper motors - ahh yes. Mine pulls from about 800 rpm to 6000 and
> the
> > dyno shows 428 lb-ft at the rear wheels. Ahh - now, keeping that
> > pointed the right direction is a challenge. I think that's where
> the
> > driver thingy comes in :-) (witness ASPL this year!)
> >
> > patrick
> > '00 Lotus 'with alot less torque' Elise
> >
> > --- Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens@Bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > > a) Propulsion isn't everything in autox.
> > >
> > > b) If your gear ratios are tight enough to keep in the
> powerband, it
> > > doesn't
> > > really matter
> > > whether it is down low or up high.
> > >
> > > c) What ultimately matters, torque-wise, is not whether it's
> high or
> > > low but
> > > how wide it
> > > is. As you keenly observe, at least in Stock we have to
> live
> > > with the
> > > factory gears.
> > > How much of 20-70mph is within the engine's powerband is the
> > > key. Points
> > > deducted
> > > for having to shift to keep it there.
> > >
> > > That's why I love the LS1 and Viper motors - the torque curve is
> so
> > > flat that
> > > they're at 80% of peak torque throughout almost that whole speed
> > > range. Doesn't
> > > get much better than that without going electric.
> > >
> > > KeS
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of James Creasy
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 15:20
> > > > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: hp, torque, and autox
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
> > > >
> > > > i found this to be an excellent description of torque and
> > > horsepower in
> > > > cars.
> > > >
> > > > what i took away from the article is that torque is what works
> if
> > > you cant
> > > > be in the right gear for high revs. since we dont shift much
> in
> > > autocross
> > > > and rarely hit the power peak, mid range torque should rule the
> > > roost.
> > > >
> > > > so how did a torqueless S2000 win A-stock at nationals this
> year?
> > > i imagine
> > > > because the redline is so high that it doesnt have to shift and
> > > lower the
> > > > effective torque. it doesnt pull harder, but it pulls LONGER.
> so
> > > it ran
> > > > the course in 1st, vs. andy's MR-2 in 2nd and so had more
> effective
> > > torque?
> > > >
> > > > -james c
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