David's 3.8 lbs/hp really did make his car faster than mine at the one sac
event i drove it at. he's got 40K miles on his car with the S/C, and 100K
on the short block and tranny. it didnt seem overpowered to me and hooked
up despite having the IRS.
of course 800hp is overkill; even really mild mods will give me an extra 75
HP, good for 3.75 seconds to 60 (on good pavement), which seems to be close
to the limit of non-slicks traction. nevermind i cant stop, turn, or see
when i am driving it :)
BTW, i read the S7 uses a small block ford windsor stroked to 427 (in
aluminum though). pushrods!
-james
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Jones <axng4me@yahoo.com>
To: James Creasy <black94pgt@pacbell.net>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: Huh? Was: Re: hp, torque, and autox (+Z8)
> You know, one of my favorite movies is Hunt for Red October and there
> is a line in that movie, "Those doors are the problem. Could you
> launch an ICBM sideways?" the answer comes back, "Sure, but why would
> you want to?"
>
> So, why is it again that you need 800 groundpounding, wheel spinning
> un-useable power to get around the cones?
>
> I know Viper guys that are up to 1100HP with a new supercharger. Then
> they realized they couldn't keep that power on the ground. Then their
> half shafts broke. Then they realized why they needed brakes. Hmmm.
>
> 800HP out of a small block Ford V8 is probably possible. Reliable?
> Steve Saleen is stopping at 575 with a 428 big block for his new S7,
> and that will be 0-60 in less than 4 seconds. We'll see if it can get
> around the cones...
>
> patrick
>
> --- James Creasy <black94pgt@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > im trying to decide how to tune for HP and torque.
> >
> > borden's car hooked up great with 475 ft lbs and 500 HP, which feels
> > really
> > fast in a 2000lb car. the steering was very twitchy, but if you
> > could hold
> > the wheel steady under the 0.9 g's of acceleration it went straight.
> > this
> > is about the limit of a stock 302 block and tranny if you want
> > longevity.
> > the stronger 351 block stroked to 392 will support 800+ hp reliably,
> > but
> > thats probably overkill for autox. (not to mention my drum brakes =))
> >
> > ive seen two Z8's on the road in the last month. how many of these
> > have
> > they made??
> >
> > -james c
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Jones <axng4me@yahoo.com>
> > To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:54 PM
> > Subject: RE: hp, torque, and autox
> >
> >
> > > Viper motors - ahh yes. Mine pulls from about 800 rpm to 6000 and
> > the
> > > dyno shows 428 lb-ft at the rear wheels. Ahh - now, keeping that
> > > pointed the right direction is a challenge. I think that's where
> > the
> > > driver thingy comes in :-) (witness ASPL this year!)
> > >
> > > patrick
> > > '00 Lotus 'with alot less torque' Elise
> > >
> > > --- Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens@Bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > > > a) Propulsion isn't everything in autox.
> > > >
> > > > b) If your gear ratios are tight enough to keep in the
> > powerband, it
> > > > doesn't
> > > > really matter
> > > > whether it is down low or up high.
> > > >
> > > > c) What ultimately matters, torque-wise, is not whether it's
> > high or
> > > > low but
> > > > how wide it
> > > > is. As you keenly observe, at least in Stock we have to
> > live
> > > > with the
> > > > factory gears.
> > > > How much of 20-70mph is within the engine's powerband is the
> > > > key. Points
> > > > deducted
> > > > for having to shift to keep it there.
> > > >
> > > > That's why I love the LS1 and Viper motors - the torque curve is
> > so
> > > > flat that
> > > > they're at 80% of peak torque throughout almost that whole speed
> > > > range. Doesn't
> > > > get much better than that without going electric.
> > > >
> > > > KeS
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of James Creasy
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 15:20
> > > > > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: hp, torque, and autox
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
> > > > >
> > > > > i found this to be an excellent description of torque and
> > > > horsepower in
> > > > > cars.
> > > > >
> > > > > what i took away from the article is that torque is what works
> > if
> > > > you cant
> > > > > be in the right gear for high revs. since we dont shift much
> > in
> > > > autocross
> > > > > and rarely hit the power peak, mid range torque should rule the
> > > > roost.
> > > > >
> > > > > so how did a torqueless S2000 win A-stock at nationals this
> > year?
> > > > i imagine
> > > > > because the redline is so high that it doesnt have to shift and
> > > > lower the
> > > > > effective torque. it doesnt pull harder, but it pulls LONGER.
> > so
> > > > it ran
> > > > > the course in 1st, vs. andy's MR-2 in 2nd and so had more
> > effective
> > > > torque?
> > > > >
> > > > > -james c
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