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Subject: SU carb adjustment
From: ultra!ames!amdcad!neptune.AMD.COM!zahid@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Zahid Ahsanullah)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 90 16:43:50 cst
Hi All,
        I haven't been very active lately (a year that i.e) partly due
to being cut off somehow from the mail system and mostly being 
incredibly busy. Started receiving mail about 5 months ago after a
gap of 6 months and it has been to say the least addicting! For those
that don't know me, my name is Zahid and I have been around since
Dale started this list a couple of years ago. I have an '80 Spitfire
in original yellow paint that is sitting in the garage since late
summer. You see it threw a rod when all the oil leaked out on my way to
Marble Falls; a beautiful lake area about 45 miles from Austin (Tx). 
I'll be getting a gift of a new engine pretty soon from a friend of 
mine in Dallas and intend to swap the old one with this come summer. 
The Spitfire was my regular car for over 3 years with absolutely no 
major problems except for the leak which was mostly my fault. I should 
have fixed it before it became bad. Now I drive a 1990 Acura Integra 
which is fun but there is something about the Spitfire that it can't 
replace. Not too long now.
        Someone asked about tuning su's on his new '77 B and I just 
happen to have an excellent article an excellent article on tuning SU's from
Roger Garnett. This article appeared a long time ago and is being printed
without permission. Hope you don't mind Roger.

Subject: SU Carb Tuning

Well, it's not really that hard to set up SU's, just different. Of course
it always gets more interesting when you have more than one...
Here is a laymans guide to adjusting SU's (long):

step 1- Tune up the rest of the engine- REALLY! clean or replace, and set 
the points, set the timing, plugs, valve lash, and remove the air filters.
(have new ones ready) All of these things can affect the setting of the
carbs, which should be done LAST, (if at all). The carbs rarely need to be
adjusted, once set. Also replace/install the gas filter.

step 2- clean the carbs! use gum-out or similar stuff, clean all external
linkages, shafts, and stuff.

step 3- Remove the float bowl covers, clean the float bowls, remove old 
sediment, and check/adjust the float setting. (turn the cover upside down,
and get a 1/8 in drill bit, set the drill bit accross the cover, the float
tab should just touch the bit.) Make sure the needle is moving and seating
properly. This is just like *most* floats. Replace the cover.

step 3b- Go get a pint of ale, or something close, and set it nearby.

step 4- Remove the piston covers. CAREFULLY remove the piston, DO NOT
BEND THE NEEDLE. Set the piston down on a clean wadded rag to prevent 
rolling. Clean the inside of the carb. Check operation of the throttle.
Check the throttle shaft slop- this is the most common place for wear
on an SU, and is often where air/vacumn leaks occur. The bushings and
shafts can be replaced, but it requires some machining. A small amount
of leakage can be tolerated, the car just won't idle as evenly.
(a cheap and dirty fix is to put o-rings on the shaft on the outside
of the carb, to seal the opening. But dont restrice shaft movement).
Clean the piston. Stare in awe at the odd carborator design, simple and
effective, (constant velocity). Dump the old oil out of the damper if
you haven't already spilled it. clean. Reassemble, check piston movement,
raise it, then let go, it should fall freely. If not, check assembly
again, make sure the piston isn't binding against the carb body, it should
ride only on the damper shaft. Do not strech the spring. When all is operating
properly, fill the damper with Marvel Mystery Oil for light damping, or use
motor oil for heavier damping. (I use MMO)

step 5- Start the car and warm it up, then turn off/disconnect/otherwise
disable the choke mechenism. This will get set later- There are two
types, thermostatic, and REAL (cable controlled).

step 6- Check coarse throttle adjustments- make sure the throttle cable
pulls on both carbs equally, and returns completly when released. This
is adjusted by loosing the set screws on the throttle shaft and matching
the two sides. You can also adjust the cable length at this time, using
the cable set screw/retainer at the end of the cable. 

step 7- Syncronize the throttles- if you have a uni-syn, here's your
chance to use it, (air flow guage), if not use a tube and listen to
the airflow.  Alternatly adjust the two idle screws on the carb, attempt
to set the idle as low as possible (~800-1000 RPM). Adjust until the
airflow is *close* to the same at each carb. The engine may now be running
rough, just keep the idle speed high enough to keep running. Give the
throttle a quick snap to make sure everything is settled, then check 
sync again. Periodicly snap the throttle to make sure everything is seated.

Magic Time- Relax, and shake your voodoo rattle...

step 8- Adjust the mixture- this is done with the spring-loaded hex fitting 
under the carb, where the fuel supply tube enters from the float. Turning the 
fitting raises and lowers the needle seat. Pick a carb, and turn the fitting 3 
flats (1/2 turn), first in one direction, then back 3, then 3 in the other
direction. Note where the engine runs better, idle speed should increase.
Turn to the best setting. Repeat this proceedure until you get the best 
operation you can, (higest idle speed), keeping track of flats turned will
help you remember where you were. If you get lost, turn all of the way in, 
then back out 12 flats and start again. Periodicaly snap the throttle and
push up on the fitting to make sure everything is seated.
        When you think you're close, stop, uncramp your fingers, breath deep,
and do the same to the other carb. Then retune the first carb, and then the
second again. This serves to match the mixture of the 2 carbs, and prepare
you for the beer sitting over there in the sun. (why do you think the British
drink warm beer?)

step 9- repeat step 7, setting the idle speed as low as possible, and 
re-syncing the idles. Now go back and readjust the mixtures. After a couple
of iterations, the engine should be running smoothly (controlled by mixture)
and at a low idle. Repeat as necessary. Set the final idle to 800-1000 RPM,
depending on the condition of the rest of the engine.

step 10- DRIVE! Take a quick spin up the lane, you need the reward of driving 
a properly tuned car.

step 11- Adjusting the choke- I will ignore the thermostatic choke, they
work (?) as a cross between regular old american carbs, and REAL, (manual)
choke SU's. You can get conversion kits to add a choke cable. Check the 
manual for more info.
The choke is supposed to do two things; the first half of travel moves a
cam on each carb which opens the throttle, for warm up. The second half
pulls down on the needle seat to enrichen the mixture, for starting.
        Start with the choke in the off position (knob in). Adjust the
so that the cam only starts moving the throttle after you start pulling
out on the cable (adjust with shafts and adjusting screws). Try to get both 
carbs adjusted the same, you can check this with your unisyn or hose, but the 
choke adjustment is less critical than the operating settings. After the cable 
is about halfway out, it should start engaging the lever which pulls down on 
the needle seats. Adjust so both carbs are acted on equally, you can do this
by adjusting for even running of the engine. Of course, for a warm engine,
the richness of this mixture will cause some roughness. Make sure the needle
seats return freely when you release the choke.(please excuse the lack of 
detail in this step, EveryThing is from memory, and it has been a while since
I adjusted chokes, but the Sprite is getting there...)

step 12- Drink that warm beer (only one, no DWI now...) it will taste great
at this point!, go wash up, and go for a ride.

The first time through carb adjustments can be confusing, once you've done
it, all of the stuff in the manuals makes sense. Go back and read them again-
As always, I reccommend Bentleys, which is a repro of the original factory
manuals, and then Haynes, and throw out the Chiltons. (orginal factory manuals
are to be read in a clean enviroment, repros are for smearing grease all over,
except, if that's all you got, use it!) 
   ________ 
  /     _  \        Roger Garnett           (garnett@batcomputer)
 /   /||  \ \       Cornell Phonetics Lab   (garnett@tcgould.TN.CORNELL.EDU)
| |\/ ||  _  |      Ithaca  N.Y.            (bitnet: sggy@cornellC 
| |   ||   | |                                   or  garnett@crnlthry.bitnet)
 \    ||__/ /                               (plab!roger@cornell.UUCP)
  \________/        SAFETY FAST!            okbye
_____________               _____________
\____________\_____________/____________/
  \__________               __________/         [this space availble]
    \________ AUSTIN-HEALEY ________/
      \___________________________/  
   (this A-H emblem plagurized without 
   permission, I couldn't get through in E-mail)                


                Hope this helps out.


By the way, does anyone know of a roadster called Ashley. My friend
owned it when we were in high school in the late seventies and he says 
it was a Triumph. He had bought it in England while on vacation. It looked 
very much like a spitfire with the bonnet opening near the windscreen and all
but I can't say that I remember much about it. His dad took it away
from us because our driving became kind of reckless. I have never missed
a car more than that one.

                                Cheers
                                Zahid



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