> From: slim@nvidia.com
>
>
> Rod, Tony,
>
> (snip)
>
> That being the case, I politely
> ask you to keep your
> negative comments about this car to yourselves. It does nothing but spread
> ill will and
> certainly doesn't make this mailing list appear well meaning to all owners
> or non-owners
>
(snip)
Slim,
About the silliness, I completely agree with you. What I don't understand
though is why you reserve these comments for us and totally ignore comments
that start the whole thing.
If you've noticed, I haven't said anything in a long time on this list about
M100s or fwd or much else. I normally just lurk. It was only when unprovoked
unkind things were said that I responded.
I think your comments are genuine and intend to drop it.
> From: "Tony Clark"
> Subject: Re: M100 Siminar
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:50:46 -0500
>
>
> From: Slim Whitman
>
> > Rod, Tony,
>
> >> Geez, calm down guys <<
>
> Please trace this thread root and redirect your fire . . . Rod, I and
> several others only "defend the fort" when someone gets "over the top" and
> tries to cut down the Chapman cars or Chapman List.
>
> Tony
> (it's over anyway)
>
Yes, that's my point.
>
>
> From: Steve Brightman <Steve.Brightman@dalsemi.com>
> Subject: Let's set the record straight
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:49:21 -0500
> Tony spake thus:
>
> "Rod, I and several others only "defend the fort" when someone gets "over the
>top" and
> tries to cut down the Chapman cars or Chapman List."
>
> So who went over the top? I assume you mean me.
>
> 1. I defy you to find a single instance of me ever "cutting down" any of
>Chapman's cars, or any other Lotus for that matter.
>
> 2. I guess you think I "cut down" the Chapman Era list?
>
> Here's what I said, "I was reading the blurb as intro to the Chapman era mail
>list and they make a big point about the subject matter being rwd cars only.
>It seems to me that the M100 is much too recent to be of interest there anyway
>so why make a point about rwd? Can this "driven end bigotry" be a sign of a
>basic insecurity? <g>"
>
> For completeness here's what the web page says,
>
> "chapman-era is a mailing list for early Lotus enthusiasts, or actually for
>fans of
> any sports or racing cars, similar in spirit to the Lotus cars of the Chapman
>era.
>
> Enthusiasm for light, agile, rwd cars designed for performance is a
>requirement.
> Appreciation for bang-for-the-buck engineering is a common denominator. Lotus
> ownership is optional.
>
> chapman-era is a Majordomo based mailing list, administered as part of the
> autox.team.net hierarchy.
>
> This is the mailing list where Lotus still means:
>
> > "light, balanced, basic and rear wheel drive"!
>
> <snip>
>
> "We appreciate your request to be added to the chapman-era mailing list.
>This is a
> relatively small group of people who are heavily interested in the early Lotus
> cars. We are *not* an elitist group, but we do prefer to limit our
>membership to
> those with either a working technical knowledge of early Lotus cars and/or
> competition driving, or those with some related knowledge of similar cars.
>
> Although we are mainly comprised of a bunch of rabid enthusiasts for early
> Lotus and similar cars, we do not endorse or condone marque bigotry, and we
> definitely *avoid* marque bigotry amongst ourselves. "
>
>
> I will make no further comment, others on this list can decide for themselves
>if I "cut down" on anybody or whether maybe they did it themselves.
>
> Steve
For once, I agree with Steve. Make your own judgments as to the
appropriateness of his remarks on the lotus-cars list.
>
>
> From: CitroMike@aol.com
> Subject: re: M100 tires
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:18:20 EDT
> Scott:
>
> Thrashing your M100 around an autocross course can wear out the tires in VERY
> short order. A couple years ago, when my car had 8000 miles I did a 2-day
> school and took 3 of the tires to the cords. Coulda had the "gentle-touch"
> Rod Bean as my instructor, but he gave me some maniac guy who actually wanted
> me to come off the line wheels spinning. Darn that car is fast when you abuse
> it!
>
> Anyway, the point is you can easily use up $1000 worth of street rubber in a
> couple hours if the surface is rough. My limited personal experience (~500
> miles) with tracks leads me to believe that most are not nearly so hard on
> tires as the tight autocross parking lot courses. Of course, your technique
> may vary.
>
> I don't think the analogy with skis holds here. The situation is more like
> "why wear your light-weight kevlar track shoes to run through a bog - use
> something heavier and more waterproof."
>
> Michael Roeder
> Citromike@aol.com
> Autonomy@home.com
I think I agree that a hard as rocks and cheaper tire is better choice for just
going out and having fun. That's what I use on my RX7 and it makes it all more
affordable.
>
> From: "Tony Clark" <lotus.tony@airmail.net>
> Subject: Re: Let's set the record straight ???
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:16:03 -0500
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Brightman
>
etc., etc. etc.
> And Tony answered:
>
> Thanks for eloquently making MY point.
>
> >>>> I will make no further comment, others on this list can decide for
> themselves if I "cut down" on anybody or whether maybe they did it
> themselves<<<<
>
> Sounds like an excellent plan!
> ;->
> Tony
Yes, I quite agree.
>
>
> From: "Richard Clifton" <Richard.Clifton@bigfoot.com>
> Subject: Re: M100 Validation
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:41:35 +0100
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <slim@nvidia.com>
> > I politely
> > ask you to keep your
> > negative comments about this car to yourselves. It does nothing but spread
> > ill will and
> > certainly doesn't make this mailing list appear well meaning to all owners
> > or non-owners
> > for that matter
>
> I say Keep It Up. Its a good laugh.
> Its like taking your Grandpa to the zoo. Dribbling old codgers and
> Ostriches with their heads in the sand!!
>
> Richard A Clifton (aged 41 23/24ths)
>
>
Slim, you were saying....????
I've said this many times but I'll say it again. I enjoy good, honest
discussions about many subjects but personal put-down contests don't interest
me. I even appreciate good natured teasing provided it's among participants
who basically respect each other.
Truly, I'm sorry now that I dignified it all with a response. It's really my
fault for biting at he bait.
Rod
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