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Bill...
You're absolutely right about tow points. It is difficult with some cars,
like our Thunder Bolt and Talisman with their tilting bonnets. The Talisman
has other issues in the rear that complicate things. We carry a loose strap
with the T-Bolt, and have built a convoluting contraption for towing the
Talisman. It works, but takes time to hook up.
The Mini involved in the Eastlake incident at ROAD AMERICA last Friday had
four tow hookup points. Two in the front and two in the rear.
Bill Dentinger
In a message dated 9/22/2008 9:11:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
william.tobin3@verizon.net writes:
Hi all, a couple things come to mind here.
First, most vintage groups require towing eyes on the cars, front and rear.
They should be clearly visible and marked; Pegasus and others sell "Tow"
decals. Paint the tow eyes a contrasting color for easy ID. Make the holes 2"
in
diameter for easy hookup. Put two front and two rear and use them for tie
downs. Jack Woehrle of SVRA put out a couple of rants, justifiably so, a
couple years ago on their web site about tow eyes.
Make it quicker and easier for the safety crews to hook up and go; may save
another incident like this one.
Nextly, as far as I know, nobody has gone from vintage to F1. Are we getting
too serioius about winning? Just a thought. Vintage is supposed to be about
having fun; losing our fellow drivers doesn't fit that description. Drive
your cars hard but remember that those other guys are probably your friends.
And the HANS is a great investment.
Hope I didn't offend anyone; not the point.
Take care, Bill ----- Original Message -----
From: _BillDentin@aol.com_ (mailto:BillDentin@aol.com)
To: _susank@141.com_ (mailto:susank@141.com) ; _fot@autox.team.net_
(mailto:fot@autox.team.net)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sad news from Road America
Jim Austhof's is sure getting a Baptism of Fire. His description, of
course, is accurate, as is his counsel concerning the Hans devise. Not sure
it
would have been quite as effective in this case because of the 'side impact',
but there certainly would have been increased stability. Vintage racing is
not
a high speed parade. Its risks are serious. The biggest thing I was
reminded of is the fact that when we race we make a lot of split second
decisions.
And we don't get to do them over. Serious stuff!
I had raced many laps with Dr. Surjit Hermon. In my opinion, he was very
conservative, raced at 8/10ths, and was particularly courteous to other
racers.
I was in that Friday practice session as well, and have to assume he may
have missed a waving yellow and standing white at the Thunder Valley worker
station. You can't see the apex to 13 coming up that hill, and I suspect he
was
surprised by the commotion and lost control of his car. So sad these things
should happen.
As such, we choose not to do the 'missing man' pace lap in honor of Jack
Drews on Sunday morning.
Bill Dentinger
In a message dated 9/22/2008 7:44:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
susank@141.com writes:
This was on the MGVR Yahoo list:
*****************************
I have sad news to report from the Vintage Fall Festival at Road America
this past weekend. We have had another fatality in the vintage racing
community. We lost driver Surjit Hermon on Friday afternoon in an
incident near turn 12 (under the now non existent Billy Mitchell
bridge). Surjit lost control of his Eastlake 11, skidded right-left-
right and impacted a Mini Cooper which was well off course and in the
process of being hooked up for a flat tow. The safety workers had to run
for their lives when they looked up from trying to find a attachment
point for the flat tow and saw a skidding car coming at them.
My second weekend as a Driver Committee Chairman - second fatality!
Watch your flags, remember the 80% rule, and if you were contemplating a
Hans device let this be a warning.
Jim Austhof
Red #1 MGB
*****************************
Susan
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