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Re: [Fot] TR4 TR6 quick rack

To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 TR6 quick rack
From: Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes@seiri.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:04:17 -0500
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Sounds like a different housing design would solve the problem. Or an altern=
ative rack & pinion for a standard rack.=20



> On Nov 11, 2015, at 14:43, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:
>=20
> The issue is that the "tube" is pressed into the housing where the pinion m=
eets the rack.  When you go to full lock, you can knock the tube out the end=
 of the housing which then makes the rack no longer pressed into the pinion a=
nd steering failure occurs.  The fix would involve making sure that the tube=
 is solidly attached to the housing so it can no longer be pushed out.  Some=
thing like holes with bolts / pins could be a possibility, but that would ne=
ed to be done in a way to not interfere with normal operation.
>=20
> In my case, I bought the "quick rack" on sale for under $200 and don't car=
e to even mess with it since I'd be guessing at a fix.
>=20
> Cheers, Tony Drews
>=20
> At 10:13 AM 11/11/2015, robertten1@aol.com wrote:
>=20
>> Curious,=20
>>=20
>> What has been the fix to these racks to make them reliable, if any??  I h=
ave a TVR buddy that has an Argentine Quik Rack an would be interested in le=
arning about any successful fix(s), outside of tossing this brand new rack h=
e acquired a few years ago.
>>=20
>> Helping a friend,
>> Bob T
>> '64 Spit GT  autocrosser
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Sheach <tony.sheach@live.co.uk>
>> To: Jack Mc <LimeyV8@aol.com>
>> Cc: <fot@autox.team.net> <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 7:47 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 TR6 quick rack
>>=20
>> All the racks sold by MOSS are made in Argentina - the only rack produced=
 in the UK for the TR is made for TR Enterprises and has a solid billet casi=
ng, so instantly recognisable.
>>=20
>> Putting the Argentinian rack in a bag with a sticker that says 'product o=
f the U.K.' Is surely just a dodge to mask the source and to hoodwink people=
 into thinking that it's a different product. That's simply scandalous.=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 21:26, Jack Mc <LimeyV8@aol.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> The quick rack I bought had a sticker on the bag that said "product of th=
e U.K."=20
>> AND
>> a sticker on the rack that said "Made in Argentina"
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <triosan@=
gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Tony,
>> Who si the source for the UK made rack?
>>=20
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Tony Sheach <tony.sheach@live.co.uk > wr=
ote:
>> Charly
>>=20
>> There were a large number of failures of these racks in the UK on both ro=
ad and competition cars. For MOSS to say that there was only one is simply u=
ntrue.
>>=20
>> I personally had TWO failures of brand new racks about 18 months apart. B=
oth of these failures involved the pinion housing separating from the rack t=
ube at high speed in very dangerous circumstances.
>>=20
>> I would NOT recommend the use of a MOSS rack to anyone, whether for road o=
r competition use because the manufacturing quality is poor and the material=
 quality is similarly inadequate. The information that I was given at a meet=
ing face to face with MOSS in london have me the impression that some testin=
g had been done, but the solution to the problem really had not been found (=
ie do the job properly).
>>=20
>> I now use a custom made rack which has a single piece pinion housing and r=
ack tube made from billet aluminium. These are being made in the UK. I will n=
ever use a steering rack supplied by MOSS again.
>>=20
>> Regards
>>=20
>> Tony
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> > On 9 Nov 2015, at 07:04, Charly < charly@mitchelplumbing.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Friends,
>> >
>> > I have a friend wanting to buy a quick steering rack for his TR4A.  I t=
old him there was a problem with them, but I thought it was resolved.  I sea=
rched the archives
>> > and could find anything about it.  Does someone in the group know the o=
utcome of the problems that were brought to Moss on these quick racks?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Charly Mitchel
>> > Tr6 #44
>> >
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; 
charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Sounds like a different housing 
design would solve the problem. Or an alternative rack &amp; pinion for a 
standard rack.&nbsp;</div><div><br><br></div><div><br>On Nov 11, 2015, at 
14:43, Tony Drews &lt;<a 
href="mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";>tony@tonydrews.com</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

The issue is that the "tube" is pressed into the housing where
the pinion meets the rack.&nbsp; When you go to full lock, you can knock
the tube out the end of the housing which then makes the rack no longer
pressed into the pinion and steering failure occurs.&nbsp; The fix would
involve making sure that the tube is solidly attached to the housing so
it can no longer be pushed out.&nbsp; Something like holes with bolts /
pins could be a possibility, but that would need to be done in a way to
not interfere with normal operation.<br><br>
In my case, I bought the "quick rack" on sale for under $200
and don't care to even mess with it since I'd be guessing at a
fix.<br><br>
Cheers, Tony Drews<br><br>
At 10:13 AM 11/11/2015, <a 
href="mailto:robertten1@aol.com";>robertten1@aol.com</a> wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><font size="4" color="#0000FF">
Curious, <br><br>
What has been the fix to these racks to make them reliable, if
any??&nbsp; I have a TVR buddy that has an Argentine Quik Rack an would
be interested in learning about any successful fix(s), outside of tossing
this brand new rack he acquired a few years ago.<br><br>
Helping a friend,<br>
Bob T<br>
'64 Spit GT&nbsp; autocrosser<br><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Tony Sheach &lt;<a 
href="mailto:tony.sheach@live.co.uk";>tony.sheach@live.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>
To: Jack Mc &lt;<a href="mailto:LimeyV8@aol.com";>LimeyV8@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &lt;<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; &lt;<a 
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 7:47 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 TR6 quick rack<br><br>
All the racks sold by MOSS are made in Argentina - the only rack produced
in the UK for the TR is made for TR Enterprises and has a solid billet
casing, so instantly recognisable.<br><br>
Putting the Argentinian rack in a bag with a sticker that says 'product
of the U.K.' Is surely just a dodge to mask the source and to hoodwink
people into thinking that it's a different product. That's simply
scandalous. <br><br>
Sent from my iPad<br><br>
On 10 Nov 2015, at 21:26, Jack Mc
&lt;<a href="mailto:LimeyV8@aol.com";>LimeyV8@aol.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br><br>
The quick rack I bought had a sticker on the bag that said "product
of the U.K." <br>
AND<br>
a sticker on the rack that said "Made in Argentina"<br><br>
Sent from my iPad<br><br>
On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
&lt;<a href="mailto:triosan@gmail.com";>triosan@gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br><br>
</font>
<dl>
<dd>Tony,<br>

</dd><dd>Who si the source for the UK made rack?<br><br>

</dd><dd>On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Tony Sheach
&lt;<a href="mailto:tony.sheach@live.co.uk";>tony.sheach@live.co.uk</a>
&gt; wrote:<br>

<dl>
<dd>Charly<br><br>

</dd><dd>There were a large number of failures of these racks in the UK on
both road and competition cars. For MOSS to say that there was only one
is simply untrue.<br><br>

</dd><dd>I personally had TWO failures of brand new racks about 18 months
apart. Both of these failures involved the pinion housing separating from
the rack tube at high speed in very dangerous circumstances.<br><br>

</dd><dd>I would NOT recommend the use of a MOSS rack to anyone, whether for
road or competition use because the manufacturing quality is poor and the
material quality is similarly inadequate. The information that I was
given at a meeting face to face with MOSS in london have me the
impression that some testing had been done, but the solution to the
problem really had not been found (ie do the job properly).<br><br>

</dd><dd>I now use a custom made rack which has a single piece pinion housing
and rack tube made from billet aluminium. These are being made in the UK.
I will never use a steering rack supplied by MOSS again.<br><br>

</dd><dd>Regards<br><br>

</dd><dd>Tony<br><br>

</dd><dd>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>

</dd><dd>&gt; On 9 Nov 2015, at 07:04, Charly
&lt;<a href="mailto:charly@mitchelplumbing.com";>
charly@mitchelplumbing.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

</dd><dd>&gt;<br>

</dd><dd>&gt; Friends,<br>

</dd><dd>&gt;<br>

</dd><dd>&gt; I have a friend wanting to buy a quick steering rack for his
TR4A.&nbsp; I told him there was a problem with them, but I thought it
was resolved.&nbsp; I searched the archives<br>

</dd><dd>&gt; and could find anything about it.&nbsp; Does someone in the
group know the outcome of the problems that were brought to Moss on these
quick racks?<br>

</dd><dd>&gt; Thanks,<br>

</dd><dd>&gt; Charly Mitchel<br>

</dd><dd>&gt; Tr6 #44<br>

</dd><dd>&gt;<br>

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