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Chris,
I never had any success with a =E2=80=98free flow=E2=80=99 system and =
moving water through the heat exchanger/radiator faster. I found that it =
just became uncontrollable and temperature went higher. I played around =
quite a bit with electric pumps etc. Put them in the bin. Just stuck =
with the STD water pump and thermostat etc. All good.
=20
Be interesting to see what your results yield.
=20
Cheers=E2=80=A6
=20
=20
=20
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 7:54 AM
To: 'Mordy Dunst'; tr4racing@googlemail.com; =
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
Hi Mordy,
=20
there are two theories about cooling and water flow.
=20
1. Slow speed of the water in the radiator to give the water time =
to cool. That means slowing down
2. The other theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high =
coolant speed.
=20
In a way I prefer the 2nd way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the =
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what happens.
=20
Cheers
Chris
=20
Von: Mordy Dunst [mailto:gasket.works@gte.net]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45
An: tr4racing@googlemail.com; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
Chris your the engineer....
Heat produced vs heat removed. There will be a steady state at some =
point. You would like it lower. Don"t underestimate the headgasket =
component of channeling coolant flow. In the TR4 motor i made the =
coolant holes different than original to allow the mass flow of water to =
occur from the rear of the motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell time with in =
the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat generated. Nor the =
dwell time in the radiator. There certainly calcs for all this stuff. =20
=20
MDunst
Headgasket.com
626.628.3777 F
Triple R Munitions, Inc
626.201.9471 T
FFL 6,7 SOT 2
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
tr4racing@googlemail.com>
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>; 'MadMarx' < =
Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
I have a 160F thermostat installed.
Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes with that.
=20
Chris
=20
mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be]=20
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01
tr4racing@googlemail.com>
Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
=20
My diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What =
coolant thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, =
perhaps it is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 thermostat.
Marcel
=20
_____ =20
mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens MadMarx
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2016 19:21
Aan: 'FOT List'
Onderwerp: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
Hi guys,
=20
My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle the =
temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. I've =
experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. Changing =
pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator in and =
outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump =
more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, =
currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.
=20
Cheers
Chris
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vlink=3Dblack><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>I never had any success with a =E2=80=98free flow=E2=80=99 system and =
moving water through the heat exchanger/radiator faster. I found that it =
just became uncontrollable and temperature went higher. I played around =
quite a bit with electric pumps etc. Put them in the bin. Just stuck =
with the STD water pump and thermostat etc. All =
good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>Be interesting to see what your results =
yield.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'>Cheers=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>MadMarx<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 11 July 2016 7:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Mordy Dunst'; tr4racing@googlemail.com; =
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be<br><b>Cc:</b> =
fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi =
Mordy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>there are =
two theories about cooling and water flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Slow speed =
of the water in the radiator to give the water time to cool. That means =
slowing down<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'> =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The other =
theory sais maximizing the flow, no restriction, high coolant =
speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In a way I =
prefer the 2<sup>nd</sup> way. And I=E2=80=99ll test this version in the =
coming weeks. I=E2=80=99ll remove the restrictors and see what =
happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></a></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Von:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mordy =
Dunst [<a =
href=3D"mailto:gasket.works@gte.net";>mailto:gasket.works@gte.net</a>] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 10. Juli 2016 22:45<br><b>An:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>; =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.=
be</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b> Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>C=
hris your the engineer....<br><br>Heat produced vs heat removed. =
There will be a steady state at some point. You would like it =
lower. Don"t underestimate the headgasket component of =
channeling coolant flow. In the TR4 motor i made the coolant holes =
different than original to allow the mass flow of water to occur from =
the rear of the motor forward. I also put a pressure gauge =
on my coolant. If the pressure is too low it will not cool as =
efficiently either. I don"t know what the coolant dwell =
time with in the head needs to be to in order to adsorb the heat =
generated. Nor the dwell time in the radiator. There =
certainly calcs for all this stuff. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>M=
Dunst<br>Headgasket.com<br>626.628.3777 F<br>Triple R Munitions, =
Inc<br>626.201.9471 T<br>FFL 6,7 SOT =
2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: MadMarx <</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;<br>To: 'Marcel Van Mulders' <</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a></span=
><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;; 'MadMarx' <</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a></span><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;<br>Cc: fot <</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;<br>Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:21 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1.2_dc1d0451-f169-48f2-a7f8-1097a48363d1"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>I have a 160F thermostat installed.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Next test will be without any restrictions, maximum flow and see how it =
goes with that.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Chris</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span =
lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> Marcel Van Mulders [<a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be?";><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</span></a>] =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:01<br><b>An:</b> 'MadMarx' =
<<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>tr4racing@googlemail.com</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b=
> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b> =
RE: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>My=
diesel BMW runs always at 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F when hot. What coolant =
thermostat is in it? If the T=C2=B0 is steady at 212=C2=B0F, perhaps =
it is intentionally done so with a 212=C2=B0 =
thermostat.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ma=
rcel</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'color:black'><hr size=3D5 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Van:</span></b><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</span></a>] =
<b>Namens </b>MadMarx<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 7 juli 2016 =
19:21<br><b>Aan:</b> 'FOT List'<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi guys,</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them =
down.<br>Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be =
enough. I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Chris</span><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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