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Re: [Fot] Center main support

To: "'DAVE HOGYE'" <dlhogye@comcast.net>, "'John H. Hasty'" <jhasty@mhc-law.com>, "'John H. Hasty via Fot'" <fot@autox.team.net>, <tr4racing@googlemail.com>, "fot@autox. team. net" <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Center main support
From: Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:56:35 +0100
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Dave,

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it is fascinating to watch, how two people straightening a crank within  =
 few minutes.

One is holding the bearing journal in place on a holder and the other =
give it a blow and measuring.

Very cool. Once I helped myself. Nobody had a hand free, so I held the =
crank in place :)

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>=20
Gesendet: Montag, 25. November 2019 03:28
An: John H. Hasty <jhasty@mhc-law.com>; John H. Hasty via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net>; tr4racing@googlemail.com
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Center main support

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My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few decades =
ago and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to straighten =
cranks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational device.   I =
thought it was barbaric at the time having never heard of that sort of =
thing, but GTJ definitely knew what they were doing.  GTJ built =
championship winning Jags. =20

Dave H. =20

On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM "John H. Hasty via Fot" =

Chris:  That is exactly how we built the roller bearing crank half's for =
our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a brass hammer and in =
an hour or so you end up with a straight crank=20

Sent from my iPhone=20





On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

Hi Phil,

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If I give a crank to the machine shop for testing and maybe polishing =
they also correcting straightness.

They using a hammer and a wedge like tool with brass or bronze surface =
and giving it a big blow at some places to make it straight.

They also checking with magna flux system for cracks.

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I run 0.0027=E2=80=9D main bearing clearance.

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For sure Kas throw in is right. I keep the revs below 6k with the =
standard crank.

Many people going up to 7k with their engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. =
A billet crank might help a little but I saw billet cranks breaking too.

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Engine power is not my main concern. Cornering speed is.

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Cheers

Chris

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> Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Center main support

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Interesting, Chris:

My machine shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with =
the crank supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was =
developing high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that it =
should be retired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based =
on what you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. =
As they do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishing and balancing), =
they had little to gain from that diagnosis.
Thanks for the input.

Sent from my iPhone

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On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com =

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Wow!  It's very nicely done.  Certainly overkill.

Regards, Tony

On 11/23/2019 9:11 PM, Phil Gott wrote:

Here are some photos:

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Sent from my iPhone

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<tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:

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I agree, that sounds like overkill.  Mine only requires the top of the =
cap to be machined flat, no other block mods.

Regards, Tony

On 11/23/2019 5:42 AM, Phil Gott wrote:

Thanks again, Tony:

The one we have, built by the late Bill  Throop, in addition to =
reinforcing the cap itself, has the block machined internally to accept =
the sides of a strap, then the strap  is cross bolted from the sides, =
through the block from outside.  I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit =
of overkill. Based on your recommendation, it seems to be.

Maybe I can send some pictures later today, as we are pulling the engine =
today for other work.

Phil

Sent from my iPhone

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<tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:

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I run that setup, it was an uncle jack trick.  Here's what he wrote =
about that (on my engine building tips page):

"I also like to strap the center main to add rigidity to the bottom end. =
 To do this, mill off the cast face of the main flush with the surfaces =
for the head bolts. Get a front strap for a Chevy 400 block. You must =
enlarge the holes in the strap  and you must use longer bolts.  Some  =
builders feel that this is totally unnecessary, but since starting to do =
this, I have never had a main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod =
bearing, which is something that happens more frequently than you would =
expect."

Regards, Tony Drews

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On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:

Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the center main on the =
TR wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge =
cross-bolted underneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this =
needed? Just took 3 factory cranks to the machine shop and all three =
were bent about .002 in (.002 run out at center main when supported on =
first and last mains.) Two of these were raced, the third was removed =
from a tired street engine. note: None of these cranks came out of the =
engine with extra support at the center.
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Curious as to the need for the extra support.
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>it is fascinating to watch, how two =
people straightening a crank within=C2=A0=C2=A0 few =
minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>One is holding the bearing journal =
in place on a holder and the other give it a blow and =
measuring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Very cool. Once I helped myself. =
Nobody had a hand free, so I held the crank in place </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Von:</b> DAVE HOGYE =
&lt;dlhogye@comcast.net&gt; <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 25. November =
2019 03:28<br><b>An:</b> John H. Hasty &lt;jhasty@mhc-law.com&gt;; John =
H. Hasty via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;; =
tr4racing@googlemail.com<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Center main =
support<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few =
decades ago and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to =
straighten cranks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational =
device. &nbsp; I thought it was barbaric at the time having never heard =
of that sort of thing, but GTJ definitely knew what they were doing. =
&nbsp;GTJ built championship winning Jags.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Dave H.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM =
&quot;John H. Hasty via Fot&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote: =
<br><br>Chris: &nbsp;That is exactly how we built the roller bearing =
crank half's for our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a =
brass hammer and in an hour or so you end up with a straight crank =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Chris Marx =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>If I give a crank to the machine shop =
for testing and maybe polishing they also correcting =
straightness.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>They =
using a hammer and a wedge like tool with brass or bronze surface and =
giving it a big blow at some places to make it =
straight.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>They also =
checking with magna flux system for cracks.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>I run 0.0027=E2=80=9D main bearing =
clearance.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>For sure Kas throw in is right. I keep =
the revs below 6k with the standard crank.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Many people going up to 7k with their =
engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. A billet crank might help a little but =
I saw billet cranks breaking too.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Engine power is not my main concern. =
Cornering speed is.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></strong> Fot =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
&gt; <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Im Auftrag =
von </span></strong>Phil Gott via Fot<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gesendet:</span></strong> =
Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>An:</span></strong> Friends =
Of Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><strong>=
<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Betreff:</span></strong> Re: =
[Fot] Center main support<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Interesting, =
Chris:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>My machine =
shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with the crank =
supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was developing =
high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that it should be =
retired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based on what =
you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. As they =
do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishing and balancing), they had =
little to gain from that diagnosis.<br>Thanks for the =
input.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov =
24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";>tony@tonydrews.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Wow!&nbsp; It's =
very nicely done.&nbsp; Certainly overkill.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards, =
Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>On 11/23/2019 =
9:11 PM, Phil Gott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Here are some =
photos:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
/div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov =
23, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <a =
href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";>&lt;tony@tonydrews.com&gt;</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>I agree, that =
sounds like overkill.&nbsp; Mine only requires the top of the cap to be =
machined flat, no other block mods.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards, =
Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>On 11/23/2019 =
5:42 AM, Phil Gott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Thanks again, =
Tony:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>The one we =
have, built by the late Bill &nbsp;Throop, in addition to reinforcing =
the cap itself, has the block machined internally to accept the sides of =
a strap, then the strap &nbsp;is cross bolted from the sides, through =
the block from outside. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of =
overkill. Based on your recommendation, it seems to =
be.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Maybe I =
can send some pictures later today, as we are pulling the engine today =
for other work.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Phil<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov =
22, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Tony Drews <a =
href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";>&lt;tony@tonydrews.com&gt;</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>I run that =
setup, it was an uncle jack trick.&nbsp; Here's what he wrote about that =
(on my engine building tips page):<o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black;bac=
kground:white'>&quot;I also like to strap the center main to add =
rigidity to the bottom end.&nbsp; To do this, mill off the cast face of =
the main flush with the surfaces for the head bolts. Get a front strap =
for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge the holes in the strap&nbsp; and =
you must use longer bolts. &nbsp;Some&nbsp; builders feel that this is =
totally unnecessary, but since starting to do this, I have never had a =
main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod bearing, which is something =
that happens more frequently than you would =
expect.&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Regards, Tony =
Drews<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM, Phil Gott via Fot =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Has anyone seen the =
need to add extra support to the center main on the TR wet sleeve =
engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge cross-bolted =
underneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this needed? Just took =
3 factory cranks to the machine shop and all three were bent about .002 =
in (.002 run out at center main when supported on first and last mains.) =
Two of these were raced, the third was removed from a tired street =
engine. note: None of these cranks came out of the engine with extra =
support at the =
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