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Do any of you guys have experience with the Lucas HD head gaskets that have
the silicone bead around the edges?
Jason Sukey
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 3:14 PM Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> When I was looking I found Worth America and it pulled up red permatex
> I was going to start over tonight
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:46 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think Wurth products are sold to direct to the industry channel by
>> route jobbers. I used to get a buddy that owned a paint shop to buy so=
me
>> product for me.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:25 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> interesting. A google search indicates this is available in Europe, but
>>> not sold directly in the US. As such, it=E2=80=99s pretty expensive he=
re.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:59 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <
>>> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> like most racers, ive had my fair share of leaking triumph heads and
>>> have tried copper rings, fancy gaskets, plain gaskets, magic goo etc
>>> etc., with none of them totally fixing it
>>>
>>> unless the crankcase breather blocked, they never really leaked badly
>>> there when new (some weeped), so its mostly a result of all the stuff =
we
>>> do to them to make them go faster. certainly. facing 2-3mm off the hea=
d
>>> does not help, as the edge gets very thin and the clamp force over by t=
he
>>> pushrods is not great on any of them, so its no wonder they leak at wor=
st
>>> and weep at best . Ive concluded crankcase pressure build up is a big
>>> issue to be solved as others have discussed
>>>
>>> long ago, i changed to using multiple vents/breathers but the biggest
>>> improvement was using WURT 250 sealant on every joint , and my last ra=
ce
>>> 2.5 is totally leak free, ie zero, not even a stain. BUT, no paper gask=
ets!!
>>>
>>> my "secret' is to follow WURT instructions and lay a tiny round bead o=
n
>>> the block edge near the pushrods and let it 'skin'...about 10-15 minute=
s
>>> before fitting the head (just enough time for a cuppa). Do not finger i=
t
>>> and try to smooth it out. By all means , fit the head with whatever
>>> "quality" gasket that your heart desires. For what its worth , i use a
>>> copper gasket and just re-anneal it every time. ive never found any spr=
ay
>>> or brush on sealant really works (or is needed) on a conventional head
>>> gasket, but some copper ones may benefit
>>>
>>> we used this WURT 250 sealant in our engine shop for years and all-but
>>> eliminated warranty claims for leaking gaskets. A version called WURT 2=
50
>>> RED is great on triumph gearboxes, and overdrives, again, zero leaks if
>>> applied correctly. For the very best result, every surface must be wash=
ed
>>> with thinners or acetone, and not touched by hands etc thereafter. it =
has
>>> a limited shelf life of about a few weeks once opened , but we used tub=
es
>>> of it every week, so that was not an issue.
>>>
>>> i hope this might assist someone
>>>
>>> Terry
>>> (down under, but not quite as far "down" as geoff Byrne)
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Do any of you guys have experience with the Lucas HD head=
gaskets that have the silicone bead around the edges?=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=
=3D"auto">Jason Sukey</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 3:14 PM Brian Schirano via =
Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">When I was l=
ooking I found Worth America and it pulled up red permatex=C2=A0=C2=A0<div =
dir=3D"auto">I was going to start over tonight</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:=
46 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think Wurth products are s=
old to direct to the industry channel by route jobbers.=C2=A0 I used to get=
a buddy that=C2=A0 owned a paint shop to buy some product for me.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0<div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_sig=
nature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar =
4, 2020 at 7:25 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.tea=
m.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv>interesting. A google search indicates this is available in Europe, but =
not sold directly in the US.=C2=A0 As such, it=E2=80=99s pretty expensive h=
ere.<div><br></div><div>Scott<br><div><br><div>On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:59 AM, =
Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">like most racers, =
ive had my fair share of leaking triumph heads and have tried copper rings,=
fancy gaskets, plain gaskets, magic goo=C2=A0 etc etc.,=C2=A0 with none of=
them=C2=A0 totally fixing it=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>
unless the crankcase breather blocked,=C2=A0=20
they never really leaked badly there when new (some weeped),=C2=A0 so its=
=C2=A0mostly a result of all the stuff we do to them to make them go faster=
.=C2=A0 certainly. facing 2-3mm off the head does not help, as the edge get=
s very thin and=20
the clamp force over by the pushrods is not great on any of them, so its no=
wonder they leak at worst and weep at best=C2=A0
. Ive concluded crankcase pressure build up is a big issue to be solved as =
others have discussed<br><div><br></div><div></div><div>long ago, i changed=
to using=C2=A0 multiple=C2=A0vents/breathers but the biggest improvement=
=C2=A0was using WURT 250 sealant=C2=A0 on every joint , and my last race 2.=
5 is totally leak free, ie zero, not even a stain. BUT, no paper gaskets!!<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>my=C2=A0 "secret' is to follow WURT i=
nstructions and lay a tiny round bead on the block edge near the pushrods a=
nd let it 'skin'...about 10-15 minutes before fitting the head (jus=
t enough time for a cuppa). Do not finger it and try to smooth it out.=C2=
=A0 By all means , fit the head with whatever "quality" gasket th=
at your heart desires. For what its worth , i use a copper gasket and just =
re-anneal it every time. ive never found any spray or brush on sealant real=
ly works (or is needed) on a conventional head gasket,=C2=A0 but some coppe=
r ones may benefit</div><div><br></div><div>we used this WURT 250 sealant i=
n our engine shop for years and all-but eliminated warranty claims for leak=
ing gaskets. A version called WURT 250 RED is great on triumph gearboxes, a=
nd overdrives, again, zero leaks if applied correctly. For the very best re=
sult, every surface must be washed with thinners or acetone, and not touche=
d by hands etc=C2=A0 thereafter. it has a limited shelf life of about a few=
weeks once opened , but we used tubes of it every week, so that was not an=
issue.</div><div><br></div><div>i hope=C2=A0this might assist someone</div=
><div><br></div><div>Terry</div><div>(down under, but not quite as far &quo=
t;down" as geoff Byrne)=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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