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To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise
From: McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:02:16 -0500
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Yah I know about the "ignore it approach".  Thats the reason I have this
differential in the car. The last one blew up and this one I got from Scott
B.   Put it in without checking it out and now here we are again..


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:51 PM Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:

> well, there is the "ignore it" approach.  If you have a spare diff or
> three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that
> point a rebuild is probably out of the question!
> Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to
> drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as lo=
ng
> as it started.  Of course, that=E2=80=99s because I was preserving my spo=
rts car in
> the garage.
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :)
>    I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping
> someone would humor me into not worrying about it ..
>                                         P.J.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:
>
>> You can=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9Cpull the cover=E2=80=9D on a Spit/GT6 =
diff, but it=E2=80=99s easy
>> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench.
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Pat;
>> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one
>> of the differential carrier bearings.  That is, if you are certain it is
>> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car
>> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading a=
nd
>> hence the level of whine.
>>
>> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier
>> should be pulled and a visual inspection made.  Look for pitting on the
>> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier)
>> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint)
>>
>> Hopefully it's just a bearing,
>>
>> Phil Gott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: FOT list <fot@autox.team.net>; McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise
>>
>> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT.
>>
>> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result i=
n
>> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat th=
e
>> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from
>> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find
>> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting dama=
ge
>> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything.
>>
>> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low".
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob Lang
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot =
<
>> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All.
>>   I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..
>>  It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( Ther=
e
>> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating).   Stock 3.27:1 rear end.
>>                                                            Any thoughts =
?
>>                                   Thanks Pat
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yah I know about the &quot;ignore it approach&quot;.=
=C2=A0 Thats the reason I have this differential in the car. The last one b=
lew up and this one I got from Scott B. =C2=A0 Put it in without checking i=
t out and now here we are again..</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" =
dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:51 PM Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:sjanzen@me.com">sjanzen@me.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;borde=
r-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid=
"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">well, there is the &quot;ignore=
 it&quot; approach.=C2=A0 If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - =
you could drive &#39;til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is pr=
obably out of the question! =C2=A0<div>Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, =
when I got a $200 car every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potho=
les, there was no maintenance, as long as it started.=C2=A0 Of course, that=
=E2=80=99s because I was preserving my sports car in the garage.<br><div><b=
r><div>On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
ckearn2@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mckearn2@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div=
><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :)</di=
v><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but w=
as hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it ..</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 P.J.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Sc=
ott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; target=3D"_blank">sjanzen@=
me.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div>You can=E2=80=99t real=
ly =E2=80=9Cpull the cover=E2=80=9D on a Spit/GT6 diff, but it=E2=80=99s ea=
sy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench. =
=C2=A0<br><div><br><div>On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:10pt">Pat;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:10pt">If it&#39;s a stock set up from the factory, my fir=
st suspicion would be one of the differential carrier bearings.=C2=A0 That =
is, if you are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be c=
hecked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot)=
 to change the loading and hence the level of whine.</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">But Bob is right: c=
heck it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be pulled and a v=
isual inspection made.=C2=A0 Look for pitting on the bearings and gear teet=
h, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or,=
 lacking that, bright colored paint)<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Hopefully it&#39;s just a beari=
ng,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10p=
t"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size=
:10pt">Phil Gott</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Robert Lang via=
 Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt;<br>To: FOT list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mckearn2@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
<br>Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise<br><b=
r></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-6730721812524005443gmail-m_1305250608599246961y=
iv9913073415"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. <br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Whining i=
s because the gears aren&#39;t meshing properly. This will result in premat=
ure wear if you&#39;re lucky. If you are not lucky, you&#39;ll overheat the=
 diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from someth=
ing really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when=
 one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to every=
thing. Not that I&#39;ve done that or anything.<br clear=3D"none"></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And keep in mind th=
at scrap steel prices are &quot;fairly low&quot;.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob L=
ang</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none">=
</div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-6730721812524005443gmail-m_13052506085992=
46961yiv9913073415ydp256e4462yahoo_quoted_7989025310">
            <div style=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:&quot;Helvetica N=
eue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
               =20
                <div id=3D"gmail-m_-6730721812524005443gmail-m_130525060859=
9246961yiv9913073415yqt68010"><div>
                    On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn=
 McKearn via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-6730721812524005443gmail-m_1305250=
608599246961yiv9913073415ydp256e4462yiv0720270631"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi=
 All.</div><div>=C2=A0 I am hearing some whining going on behind me when dr=
iving my 68 GT6..</div><div>=C2=A0It is only at neutral acceleration/decele=
ration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerati=
ng). =C2=A0 Stock 3.27:1 rear end.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Any thoughts ?</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks Pat</div></div>
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