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Re: [Fot] Dif. noise

To: Rick McCurdy <fmccjr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise
From: McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:22:21 -0500
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My Kids won't fit in the back. The youngest one is 29 and weighs about 230
Lbs.  I think I might have a wheel rubbing issue with him back there..
                                         P.J.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:40 PM Rick McCurdy via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Are your kids in the back?
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFouch.  Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much.  Beate=
rs, we
> called them.
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty@mhc-law.com> wrote:
>
> Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current
> model back then!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF well, there is the "ignore it" approach.  If you have a spare d=
iff or
> three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that
> point a rebuild is probably out of the question!
> Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter to
> drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as lo=
ng
> as it started.  Of course, that=E2=80=99s because I was preserving my spo=
rts car in
> the garage.
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :)
>    I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping
> someone would humor me into not worrying about it ..
>                                         P.J.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:
>
>> You can=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9Cpull the cover=E2=80=9D on a Spit/GT6 =
diff, but it=E2=80=99s easy
>> enough to drop the whole diff and much easier to examine on the bench.
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Pat;
>> If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one
>> of the differential carrier bearings.  That is, if you are certain it is
>> from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car
>> side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading a=
nd
>> hence the level of whine.
>>
>> But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier
>> should be pulled and a visual inspection made.  Look for pitting on the
>> bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier)
>> with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint)
>>
>> Hopefully it's just a bearing,
>>
>> Phil Gott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: FOT list <fot@autox.team.net>; McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise
>>
>> CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT.
>>
>> Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result i=
n
>> premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat th=
e
>> diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from
>> something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find
>> out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting dama=
ge
>> to everything. Not that I've done that or anything.
>>
>> And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low".
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob Lang
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot =
<
>> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All.
>>   I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..
>>  It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( Ther=
e
>> is no whine when accelerating or decelerating).   Stock 3.27:1 rear end.
>>                                                            Any thoughts =
?
>>                                   Thanks Pat
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My Kids won&#39;t fit in the back. The youngest one i=
s 29 and weighs about 230 Lbs.=C2=A0 I think I might have a wheel rubbing i=
ssue with him back there..</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 P.J.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:40 PM=
 Rick McCurdy via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.t=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204=
);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Are your kids in the back?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BFouch.=C2=A0 Even in the late 1970s, $200 did not get you much.=
=C2=A0 Beaters, we called them.<br><div><br><div>On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:00 P=
M, John H. Hasty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhasty@mhc-law.com"; target=3D"_blank=
">jhasty@mhc-law.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div>



<div dir=3D"auto">
Gee Scott, given your age, a $200 car would have been a fairly current mode=
l back then!<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF well, there is the &quot;ignore it&quot; approac=
h.=C2=A0 If you have a spare diff or three, no big deal - you could drive &=
#39;til it craps out, though at that point a rebuild is probably out of the=
 question! =C2=A0
<div>Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter=
 to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, as =
long as it started.=C2=A0 Of course, that=E2=80=99s because I was preservin=
g my sports car in the garage.<br>
<div><br>
<div>On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mck=
earn2@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mckearn2@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :)</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was=
 hoping someone would humor me into not worrying about it ..</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 P.J.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scot=
t Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; target=3D"_blank">sjanzen@me=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding=
-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid">
<div>You can=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9Cpull the cover=E2=80=9D on a Spit/GT=
6 diff, but it=E2=80=99s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much easier=
 to examine on the bench. =C2=A0<br>
<div><br>
<div>On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</=
div>
<br>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Pat;</=
div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">If it&=
#39;s a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one of t=
he differential carrier bearings.=C2=A0 That is, if you are certain it is f=
rom the differential. Wheel bearings
 can be checked by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open par=
king lot) to change the loading and hence the level of whine.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">But Bo=
b is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier should be p=
ulled and a visual inspection made.=C2=A0 Look for pitting on the bearings =
and gear teeth, check the pattern
 (before pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, brigh=
t colored paint)<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Hopefu=
lly it&#39;s just a bearing,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Phil G=
ott</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
To: FOT list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fo=
t@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">mckearn2@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise<br>
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. <br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Whining is because the gears aren&#39;t meshing properly. =
This will result in premature wear if you&#39;re lucky. If you are not luck=
y, you&#39;ll overheat the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes th=
e noise can be from something really
 dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when one of th=
e bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to everything. Not=
 that I&#39;ve done that or anything.<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are &quot;fairly =
low&quot;.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang</div>
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<div>On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fo=
t &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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415ydp256e4462yiv0720270631">
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<div>Hi All.</div>
<div>=C2=A0 I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68=
 GT6..</div>
<div>=C2=A0It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH=
 ( There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating). =C2=A0 Stock 3.27:=
1 rear end.</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
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