Re: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question

[Allen Washatko via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>]

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When I set up my Bugeye way back when, the SCCA boys told me to use motorcyc=
le shock oil which was heavier and wouldn=E2=80=99t damage the shock seals. I=
 also unsoldered the valve end and turned it in several times (don=E2=80=99t=
 remember the exact number) and then re-soldered it. Worked well for auto cr=
oss.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
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> =EF=BB=BFTony and Bob,
> Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil viscosity=
. I will be taking a closer look at those links. Regarding the shock oil, I h=
ave found I can buy motorcycle fork oil in 10wt, 15wt and 20wt on Amazon. I c=
an=E2=80=99t honestly remember what I put in mine when I restored them but I=
 do remember saving the bottle as I didn=E2=80=99t use it all. Another reaso=
n to straighten up the garage!
> I also wanted to mention that I had a interesting issue in the past years o=
f driving the car when the bolts holding the passenger side rear shock backe=
d out. The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I remov=
ed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and th=
e other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the origina=
l bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts an=
d split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers=
 for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads an=
d they seem to be holding.  One other thing is that after I sand blasted the=
 frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthenin=
g kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits.
> I can=E2=80=99t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come=
 loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding.
> Dave Connitt =20
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF Hi all
>>=20
>> There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and als=
o I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil.
>>=20
>> Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS=
10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little=
 bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250=
/5/6 but not don=E2=80=99t that for a long time. You can find them from time=
 to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa =C2=A3700 for a decent=
 pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on=
 the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally peri=
od and legal for regulations including FIA if that=E2=80=99s relevant.
>>=20
>> It=E2=80=99s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the s=
maller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjusta=
bles in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adju=
stable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four f=
actory rally TR4=E2=80=99s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS1=
0 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done.
>>=20
>> Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over tim=
e like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usuall=
y the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and th=
e hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until eithe=
r the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing.  Been there and d=
one that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox o=
il is definitely a no no.
>>=20
>> Best to all
>>=20
>> Tony
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=

>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is oka=
y, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use bef=
ore they start to fail.
>>=20
>> I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year befo=
re and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every pen=
ny.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Bob Lang
>>=20
>> On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Say,
>> I just wanted to say =E2=80=9Cthanks=E2=80=9D to all that responded to my=
 question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade=
 offs better.
>> This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something=
 thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure.
>> Now we just need some decent temperatures..
>> Regards,
>> Dave Connitt
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">When I set up my Bugeye way back when, the S=
CCA boys told me to use motorcycle shock oil which was heavier and wouldn=E2=
=80=99t damage the shock seals. I also unsoldered the valve end and turned i=
t in several times (don=E2=80=99t remember the exact number) and then re-sol=
dered it. Worked well for auto cross.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my i=
Phone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 19, 2021, a=
t 8:14 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta ht=
tp-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Tony and Bo=
b,<div>Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil visc=
osity. I will be taking a closer look at those links. Regarding the shock oi=
l, I have found I can buy motorcycle fork oil in 10wt, 15wt and 20wt on Amaz=
on. I can=E2=80=99t honestly remember what I put in mine when I restored the=
m but I do remember saving the bottle as I didn=E2=80=99t use it all. Anothe=
r reason to straighten up the garage!</div><div>I also wanted to mention tha=
t I had a interesting issue in the past years of driving the car when the bo=
lts holding the passenger side rear shock backed out. The first time I start=
ed hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wh=
eel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on wi=
th about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to a=
ttach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The sec=
ond time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock wash=
ers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. &n=
bsp;One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one o=
f the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the fron=
t lower control arm gusset bracket kits.</div><div>I can=E2=80=99t explain w=
hy the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and=
 internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding.</div><div>Dave Connitt &nbs=
p;</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fo=
t &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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Hi all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and a=
lso I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable D=
AS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a litt=
le bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 2=
50/5/6 but not don=E2=80=99t that for
 a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairl=
y expensive (circa =C2=A3700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 posi=
tion adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to=
 relieve the mounting a bit. Totally
 period and legal for regulations including FIA if that=E2=80=99s relevant.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It=E2=80=99s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the th=
e smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adju=
stables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the a=
djustable you need to notch the chassis
 leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4=E2=80=99s (what we c=
all 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on th=
e chassis, so that can also be done.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over t=
ime like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usua=
lly the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and t=
he hotter the whole thing gets,
 the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston=
 sticks and holes the casing. &nbsp;Been there and done that, so my advice w=
ould be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best to all</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tony</div>
<div><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wro=
te:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div class=3D"ydpbde90c14yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Ne=
ue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">One quick tip - the quality of the st=
ock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of a=
buse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I switched to the Goodparts rose-join=
t version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would=
 argue that they are worth every penny.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Regards,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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t-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div>On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot &lt;f=
ot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Say,<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I just wanted to say =E2=80=9Cthanks=E2=80=9D to all that r=
esponded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I unders=
tand the trade offs better.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oi=
l to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for su=
re.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now we just need some decent temperatures..<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dave Connitt<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone<br>
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