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Could be just excess paint crossed shared?=20
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoor=
s in stacks awaiting use?
>=20
> -----------------------------------------
>=20
> From: "BILL"=20
> To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse@columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye"
> Cc: "FOT Triumph"
> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>=20
> I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors o=
ther than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered t=
his subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all conf=
irmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis bla=
ck.=20
> Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames b=
eing painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the thre=
e colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale=
Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most p=
art ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange t=
hing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a=
matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG wit=
h Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they di=
d not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is als=
o unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and read=
y for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and p=
ainted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant?=
=20
>=20
> The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars th=
at had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the b=
ody from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side o=
f the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this c=
ategory document your findings for future reference is highly recommended.=20=
>=20
> I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use=
, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1=
960, not just one time period or batch.
>=20
> It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history.
>=20
> All the Best,
>=20
> Bill Redinger
> VTR
>=20
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Shaw via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: trhouse@columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye <dlhogye@comcast.net>
> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>=20
> The one under my 57 is signal red.
> Jim
>=20
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one h=
ad a red body.=20
> Dave H.=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:
>=20
> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of r=
andom differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally too=
k it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for p=
aint went on it . predominately they were Black=20
>=20
> Tom
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----------------------------------------
>=20
> From: "Tony Sheach via Fot"
> To: "Henry A. Morrison"
> Cc: "FOT Triumph"
> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>=20
> Hi all
>=20
> Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she lookin=
g at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Cour=
t demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC.
>=20
> Cars had three =E2=80=98standards=E2=80=99 of prep it seems and the record=
s show =E2=80=98A/A=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/B=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/C=E2=80=99 e=
tc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might=
be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by l=
ooking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had n=
ice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. O=
ther at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a=E2=80=99s and a white r=
olling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have=
a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course.
>=20
> The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who ten=
ded to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could b=
e seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four ca=
rs alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today.
>=20
> Hope this is useful
> Tony=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is wh=
ite as well.............
>=20
> Henry Morrison
>=20
> Sent from Outlook
>=20
>=20
> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <=
fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM
> To: Steven Belfer <steve@artwithcars.com>
> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
> =20
> Essentially, that seems to be true.
>=20
> But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chas=
sis, etc.
>=20
> I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.
>=20
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell: 319.464.4711
>=20
>=20
> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFI need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frame=
s ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only.=
> >
> > ~Steve
> >
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Could be just excess paint crossed shared?&=
nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via=
Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<br>In the back of my mind is story=
that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use?<div><br=
><div><div><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>---------------------=
--------------------</p>From: "BILL" <weredinger@cox.net><br>To: "Jim Shaw",=
"trhouse@columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye"<br>Cc: "FOT Triumph"<br>Sent: Tuesd=
ay January 26 2021 6:06:05PM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question<=
br><br>
I have been researching this rare event were frames were
painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I
have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry
Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to
me, that all the frames were painted chassis black.
<div>Over the years I have confirmed that there were
very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint (
Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented,
now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to
the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part (
the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other
strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint
were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder
Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not
exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is
unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as
the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for
assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled
and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same
assembly plant?
<div><br></div>
<div>The above was documented from original owner cars,
highly original cars that had fully documented history and original
cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first
time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched
from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category
document your findings for future reference is highly
recommended. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I do not think that all of them came about because
of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during
assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period
or batch.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is
lost in history.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>All the Best,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Bill Redinger</div>
<div>VTR</div>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div align=3D"left" style=3D"font-size:100%;color:#000000;">
<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Jim Shaw via Fot <fot@autox.team.net></div>
<div>Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)</div>
<div>To: trhouse@columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye
<dlhogye@comcast.net></div>
<div>Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question</div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;" class=3D"ydp9c17e347yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir=3D"ltr">The one under my 57 is signal
red.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jim</div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yahoo_quoted">
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div>On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via
Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>I=E2=80=99ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall
one had a red body.
<div>Dave H. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sen=
t from my
iPhone</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2520104114yqt6184438908">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot
<<a>fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">When we were setting up originality guidelines for
TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were
positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint
gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it .
predominately they were Black
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Tom</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv2520104114reply-=
new-signature"></div>
<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
From: "Tony Sheach via Fot"<br clear=3D"none">
To: "Henry A. Morrison"<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: "FOT Triumph"<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"n=
one">
Hi all
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across
this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started
building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered
2SMC.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Cars had three =E2=80=98standards=E2=80=99 of prep it seems and the rec=
ords
show =E2=80=98A/A=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/B=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/C=E2=80=99 etc=
but no one seems to know what that
really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display
car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and
58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome
bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.
Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a=E2=80=99s and a
white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered
3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.
Could be all wrong of course.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>The other white chassis cars were from the competitions
department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any
means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the
TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white
chassis frames and still do today.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Hope this is useful</div>
<div>Tony </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPa=
d</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <<a>fot@autox.team.ne=
t</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);">
My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white
car is white as well.............</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);">
Henry Morrison</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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lor=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Fot <<a>fot-bou=
nces@autox.team.net</a>>
on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <<a>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clea=
r=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM<br clear=3D"none"=
><b>To:</b> Steven Belfer <<a>steve@artwithcars.com</a>><br clear=3D"n=
one"><b>Cc:</b> FOT Triumph <<a>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question</font>
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<div class=3D"yiv2520104114PlainText"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11pt;">Essentially, that seems to be true.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none">
But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of
display chassis, etc.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">
Joe Alexander<br clear=3D"none">
4505 Donald Dr<br clear=3D"none">
Cedar Falls, IA 50613<br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D"http://The-vintage-racer.=
com">The-vintage-racer.com</a><br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D"http://Gasketinn=
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Cell: <a href=3D"tel:319.464.4711">319.464.4711</a><br clear=3D"none">=
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> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot
<<a>fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> =EF=BB=BFI need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3
frames ever come from the factory in colors other than
black? I say black only.<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> ~Steve<br clear=3D"none">
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