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So much for ISO standards.
Also approval by a e.g. renowned German institute (or others for that
matter) is no guaranty for decent quality. I have been engaged in
consumer research for a long time and often these approved articles were
the worst in the test.
At some stage we had tested brake pads and found that one of the worst
pads claimed to be approved by this institute to meet EU standards for
replacement pads, roughly within 15% of the original spec. The pads were
way out. It took me months before this institute handed over the paper
work which showed that the only test they did was a check that the car
with the replacement pads stopped within the legal limit which does not
even begin to meet the original factory specs. Same story with hydraulic
jacks. Even German law specifies a safety valve, none of the approved
jacks had one etc. etc. Our conclusion was more or less that if an
article had an approval of this institute it is probably rubbish.
Kees Oudesluijs
Larry Varley schreef op 2-3-2015 om 13:11:
> Anyone out there that has been in Q.A. systems will understand that
> Q.A does not mean the product produced is of high quality. It simply
> means that the crap produced is all crap within a defined limit.
> Regards
> Larry Varley
>
>
> On 2/03/2015 8:31 PM, J Armour wrote:
>> My experience with asian engineering products is that most small
>> volume suppliers ( by their standards ) do not understand why we are
>> obsessed with all this Quality stuff. After all look at some of the
>> images we see of equipment they find acceptable to continue using.
>> But in my case they can produce items to a required standard and this
>> can be achieved at a price if 'we' have our inspectors on site. When
>> the old sub-contract a local representative ( on cost basis ) there
>> becomes the issue of who is paying whom for the acceptance of our
>> goods? Local inspectors I suspect have greater loyalty to the terms
>> of payment from an local asian company who will give then regular
>> payments rather than a 'small' purchaser from , in my case
>> Australia. Subcontracting relies on my piece of paper and its terms
>> makes someone else responsible.
>> Check on Google for the lastest supply problem and health problems
>> with Chinese berries -- all having passed Chinese and Australian
>> standards of food preparation. The ultimate responsibility was
>> probably passed down to a farmer who still uses toilet waste for his
>> fertiliser while a whole range of businessmen sit on their QA
>> certificates.
>>
>> The company I worked for made a lot of money correcting the cheaper
>> from overseas items bought into the country with Q.A. And Inspection
>> documents supporting the goods to be ' as per order'.
>>
>> Some time ago in China I saw lightbulbs being assembled in a
>> converted cow shed and I could hardly see the process as the shed had
>> only one 40 watt lightbulb. They also had a pile of bicycle brake
>> assembles laying on the ground. Another visit I was show around a
>> major mining engineering workshop and there was a 250 mm bore very
>> expensive roller bearing siting on the floor uncovered and with a
>> layer of dust on and in the bearing. Their solution was we will wipe
>> it over before installation and then have a bearing where we
>> previously did not have a bearing = success!!!
>>
>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So much for ISO standards.<br>
Also approval by a e.g. renowned German institute (or others for
that matter) is no guaranty for decent quality. I have been
engaged in consumer research for a long time and often these
approved articles were the worst in the test.<br>
At some stage we had tested brake pads and found that one of the
worst pads claimed to be approved by this institute to meet EU
standards for replacement pads, roughly within 15% of the original
spec. The pads were way out. It took me months before this
institute handed over the paper work which showed that the only
test they did was a check that the car with the replacement pads
stopped within the legal limit which does not even begin to meet
the original factory specs. Same story with hydraulic jacks. Even
German law specifies a safety valve, none of the approved jacks
had one etc. etc. Our conclusion was more or less that if an
article had an approval of this institute it is probably rubbish.<br>
Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
<br>
Larry Varley schreef op 2-3-2015 om 13:11:<br>
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Anyone out there that has been in Q.A. systems will understand
that Q.A does not mean the product produced is of high quality. It
simply means that the crap produced is all crap within a defined
limit.<br>
Regards<br>
Larry Varley<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/03/2015 8:31 PM, J Armour wrote:<br>
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<div>My experience with asian engineering products is that most
small volume suppliers ( by their standards ) do not
understand why we are obsessed with all this Quality stuff.
After all look at some of the images we see of equipment they
find acceptable to continue using.</div>
<div>But in my case they can produce items to a required
standard and this can be achieved at a price if 'we' have our
inspectors on site. When the old sub-contract a local
representative ( on cost basis ) there becomes the issue of
who is paying whom for the acceptance of our goods? Local
inspectors I suspect have greater loyalty to the terms of
payment from an local asian company who will give then regular
payments rather than a 'small' purchaser from , in my case
Australia. Subcontracting relies on my piece of paper and its
terms makes someone else responsible.</div>
<div>Check on Google for the lastest supply problem and health
problems with Chinese berries -- all having passed Chinese
and Australian standards of food preparation. The ultimate
responsibility was probably passed down to a farmer who still
uses toilet waste for his fertiliser while a whole range of
businessmen sit on their QA certificates.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The company I worked for made a lot of money correcting the
cheaper from overseas items bought into the country with Q.A.
And Inspection documents supporting the goods to be ' as per
order'.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some time ago in China I saw lightbulbs being assembled in
a converted cow shed and I could hardly see the process as the
shed had only one 40 watt lightbulb. They also had a pile of
bicycle brake assembles laying on the ground. Another visit I
was show around a major mining engineering workshop and there
was a 250 mm bore very expensive roller bearing siting on the
floor uncovered and with a layer of dust on and in the
bearing. Their solution was we will wipe it over before
installation and then have a bearing where we previously did
not have a bearing = success!!!</div>
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