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Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Side shift trans covers

To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Side shift trans covers
From: Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions@icloud.com>
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Michael,=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I am going to be pulling my transmission some=
time this November, I will take photos, but my transmission tunnel is one =
piece and screws right to the floor. It is held in place by sheet metal sc=
rews. Nothing fancy, and actually has no "sealing" around the edges. It do=
es have the original carpet on top and I added insulation to the bottom si=
de of the tunnel to help with heat.=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0So if you're inter=
ested, I'll take a series of photos when I do my transmission work. Replac=
ing clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and such. First time in 65 y=
ears of service. Started making noise in Europe this year, so thought it a=
bout time.=0ASteven Kingsbury=0ABM1 #598=C2=A0=0A=0AOn Oct 14, 2018, at 02=
:59 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrote:=0A=0AI have a fib=
erglass tunnel cover from BCS for my BN2.=C2=A0 Of course, the BN2 is a si=
de shift trans.=C2=A0 Getting the car as a rolling shell I have no idea ho=
w to assemble the front of the tunnel to the front bulkhead.=C2=A0 As it l=
ooks, the tunnel cover is too short to reach the front bulkhead if it is t=
o also contact the sheet metal of the permanent rear tunnel cover between =
the seats.=C2=A0 I have the sheet metal front tunnel cover that screws int=
o the floor and the front bulkhead, but the screws are not available from =
Moss.=C2=A0 I suppose some generic sheet metal screws would work, but what=
 size?=C2=A0 I can get sheet rubber from someplace like Grainger's but I h=
ave no idea how it was fastened to the bulkhead cover.=C2=A0 It looks like=
 there was a square strip of insulation that glues to the top of the cover=
 where it contacts the front bulkhead, but of course that is not available=
 from Moss also.=C2=A0 There are no seal kits for the trans tunnel cover f=
or BN1 or BN2 from Moss.=C2=A0 Why is that?=C2=A0 I am at a loss how all t=
his goes together.=C2=A0 What have you 4 cylinder guys done to seal this a=
rea?=C2=A0 Does anyone have any detailed pictures of these parts separate =
and/or in place on a BN1/2?=0AMike MacLean=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, October 12, =
2018 3:52 PM, Jim Wojcik <jvwojcik@comcast.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0AHi Tim. Not=
 much help with your specific question as I did my BN7 tunnel work 25 year=
s ago and no longer own the car. However, one thing I wish I would have do=
ne is to really re-engineer the way the tunnel and bulkhead pieces fit tog=
ether, and made strong fasteners that could pull the seal tight and preven=
t the heat from flowing into the cockpit. If only ---=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think =
it would have been simple enough to do before the engine was in the car bu=
t I just didn=E2=80=99t remember and appreciate what a bodge it really was=
 as original. =C2=A0If you do that and pull it up tight you may be able to=
 better judge whether your shifter will function properly. Jim=0A=C2=A0=0A=
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Dav=
is BN7=0ASent: Friday, October 12, 2018 11:14 AM=0ATo: Healey List <healey=
s@autox.team.net>=0ASubject: [Healeys] Fwd: Side shift trans covers=0A=C2=A0=
=0ATrying again, since the original post I have rebuilt the rusted flanges=
 on both sections and they look new now. I have both uncarpeted sections s=
et in place but with the front bellhousing section in place, where it seem=
s to fit best, the hole for the shifter is not centered over the trans. Se=
e attached. Will this positioning work ? I can't move the main cover to th=
e left much as it is over the drive shaft hump. Also does the front flange=
 of the trans cover screw=C2=A0 onto the bellhousing cover? I believe cupp=
ed trim screws are used for the sides of the bellhsg cover but what is use=
d for the floor flanges, self tapping type? I have two snaps on each side =
of the man cover for the carpet, is there one or two on the drvshaft tunne=
l?=0AI also posted this question awhile ago to another Healey forum (https=
://www.ahexp.com/phorum/read.php?3,205482 ) worded a little differently bu=
t have received no useful responses.=0A=C2=A0=0A=0ATim Davis BN7=0A=C2=A0=0A=
----- Forwarded Message -----=0AFrom: Tim Davis BN7 <tld6008@mchsi.com>=0A=
To: Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>=0ASent: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:58:15=
 -0400 (EDT)=0ASubject: Side shift trans covers=0A=C2=A0=0AI am about to i=
nstall my two covers=C2=A0 after first test fitting for a couple welding r=
epairs. My front footwells are newly carpeted and the forward section is l=
apping over the carpet on the sides, IS This correct?=0AWhen I try to fit =
that first piece alone where it would seem to be the Main cover is too far=
 forward i.e small gap at the drive shaft tunnel. So I am thinking I need =
to get the big one in place regarding the tunnel and the access holes whic=
h will be pulling the front section back where it doesn't look like it wou=
ld like to be ideally.=0ADoes anyone have any photos of the two sheetmetal=
 covers in place or being installed/removed? Or any other words of wisdom?=
=0A=C2=A0=0A=0ATim Davis BN7=0A=C2=A0=0A__________________________________=
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<html><body><div>Michael,</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am going to be pulling 
my tran=
smission sometime this November, I will take photos, but my transmission t=
unnel is one piece and screws right to the floor. It is held in place by s=
heet metal screws. Nothing fancy, and actually has no "sealing" around the=
 edges. It does have the original carpet on top and I added insulation to =
the bottom side of the tunnel to help with heat.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;So if you're interested, I'll take a series of photos when I do my tran=
smission work. Replacing clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and suc=
h. First time in 65 years of service. Started making noise in Europe this =
year, so thought it about time.</div><div>Steven Kingsbury</div><div>BM1 #=
598&nbsp;</div><div><br>On Oct 14, 2018, at 02:59 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;=
rrengineer.mike@att.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><div style=3D"color: #000; background-color:=
 #fff; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16=
px;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000; background-color: #fff; font-family: t=
imes new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1539549890084_82971"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1539549890084_82970">I have a fiberglass tunnel cover from BCS for my BN=
2.&nbsp; Of course, the BN2 is a side shift trans.&nbsp; Getting the car a=
s a rolling shell I have no idea how to assemble the front of the tunnel t=
o the front bulkhead.&nbsp; As it looks, the tunnel cover is too short to =
reach the front bulkhead if it is to also contact the sheet metal of the p=
ermanent rear tunnel cover between the seats.&nbsp; I have the sheet metal=
 front tunnel cover that screws into the floor and the front bulkhead, but=
 the screws are not available from Moss.&nbsp; I suppose some generic shee=
t metal screws would work, but what size?&nbsp; I can get sheet rubber fro=
m someplace like Grainger's but I have no idea how it was fastened to the =
bulkhead cover.&nbsp; It looks like there was a square strip of insulation=
 that glues to the top of the cover where it contacts the front bulkhead, =
but of course that is not available from Moss also.&nbsp; There are no sea=
l kits for the trans tunnel cover for BN1 or BN2 from Moss.&nbsp; Why is t=
hat?&nbsp; I am at a loss how all this goes together.&nbsp; What have you =
4 cylinder guys done to seal this area?&nbsp; Does anyone have any detaile=
d pictures of these parts separate and/or in place on a BN1/2?<br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1539549890084_104849"><span =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1539549890084_82970">Mike MacLean</span></div><div=
 class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D=
"display: block;" data-mce-style=3D"display: block;"><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: =
16px;"><div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica=
, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" data-mce-style=3D"fo=
nt-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,=
 sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span size=3D"2" face=3D"A=
rial" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style=3D"fo=
nt-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> On Friday, October 12, 2018 3:52 PM,=
 Jim Wojcik &lt;jvwojcik@comcast.net&gt; wrote:<br></span></div><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1917991381"><style></style><div=
><div class=3D"yiv1917991381WordSection1"><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri', sans-serif=
; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Cali=
bri', sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Hi Tim. Not much help with your specifi=
c question as I did my BN7 tunnel work 25 years ago and no longer own the =
car. However, one thing I wish I would have done is to really re-engineer =
the way the tunnel and bulkhead pieces fit together, and made strong faste=
ners that could pull the seal tight and prevent the heat from flowing into=
 the cockpit. If only ---&nbsp;&nbsp; I think it would have been simple en=
ough to do before the engine was in the car but I just didn=E2=80=99t reme=
mber and appreciate what a bodge it really was as original. &nbsp;If you d=
o that and pull it up tight you may be able to better judge whether your s=
hifter will function properly. Jim</span></div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381=
MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"nofollow" name=3D"_MailEndCompose" class=3D"mce-item-=
anchor"></a><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri', sans=
-serif; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:=
 'Calibri', sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div><div sty=
le=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0i=
n 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; p=
adding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><b><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri', sans-serif;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri', sans-serif;">From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri', sans-ser=
if;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri', sans-ser=
if;"> Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>=
Tim Davis BN7<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 12, 2018 11:14 AM<br><b>To:<=
/b> Healey List &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys=
] Fwd: Side shift trans covers</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv19=
17991381MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div><div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">Trying agai=
n, since the original post I have rebuilt the rusted flanges on both secti=
ons and they look new now. I have both uncarpeted sections set in place bu=
t with the front bellhousing section in place, where it seems to fit best,=
 the hole for the shifter is not centered over the trans. See attached. Wi=
ll this positioning work ? I can't move the main cover to the left much as=
 it is over the drive shaft hump. Also does the front flange of the trans =
cover screw&nbsp; onto the bellhousing cover? I believe cupped trim screws=
 are used for the sides of the bellhsg cover but what is used for the floo=
r flanges, self tapping type? I have two snaps on each side of the man cov=
er for the carpet, is there one or two on the drvshaft tunnel?</span></div=
></div><div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: bl=
ack;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I also posted this question awhile =
ago to another Healey forum (<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"https://www.ahexp=
.com/phorum/read.php?3,205482" data-mce-href=3D"https://www.ahexp.com/phor=
um/read.php?3,205482">https://www.ahexp.com/phorum/read.php?3,205482</a> )=
 worded a little differently but have received no useful responses.</span>=
</div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"colo=
r: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div=
><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-=
mce-style=3D"color: black;"><br>Tim Davis BN7</span></div></div><div><div =
class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv1917=
991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: bl=
ack;">----- Forwarded Message -----<br>From: Tim Davis BN7 &lt;<a rel=3D"n=
ofollow" href=3D"mailto:tld6008@mchsi.com"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:tld6008=
@mchsi.com">tld6008@mchsi.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Healey List &lt;<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 20=
18 17:58:15 -0400 (EDT)<br>Subject: Side shift trans covers</span></div></=
div><div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black=
;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"color: black;">I am about to install my two covers&nbsp; after first =
test fitting for a couple welding repairs. My front footwells are newly ca=
rpeted and the forward section is lapping over the carpet on the sides, IS=
 This correct?</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">When I tr=
y to fit that first piece alone where it would seem to be the Main cover i=
s too far forward i.e small gap at the drive shaft tunnel. So I am thinkin=
g I need to get the big one in place regarding the tunnel and the access h=
oles which will be pulling the front section back where it doesn't look li=
ke it would like to be ideally.</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv19=
17991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: =
black;">Does anyone have any photos of the two sheetmetal covers in place =
or being installed/removed? Or any other words of wisdom?</span></div></di=
v><div><div class=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;"=
 data-mce-style=3D"color: black;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div clas=
s=3D"yiv1917991381MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"color: black;"><br>Tim Davis BN7</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv=
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