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Re: [Healeys] Which Harness?

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Which Harness?
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 07:27:40 -0700
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Our BN2 has the flasher on the cockpit side of the scuttle and, yes, 
it's a PITA to get to.


On 11/2/2018 1:13 AM, Michael MacLean wrote:
> According to an article (with a picture) on John Simms website by Rich 
> Chysler the BN2 had the flasher unit on the inside face of the 
> firewall.  Now I'm confused.
> Mike MacLean
>
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>     On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:34 AM, rwilhelmy@sbcglobal.net
>     <rwilhelmy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>     couple of easy differences:  BN1 had two relays to control the
>     overdrive circuit.  BN2 had one.  BN1 had flasher located under the
>     dash where it is almost impossible to access.  BN2 had it on the
>     engine side of the firewall.
>
>     Nothing wrong with PVC insulation.  Actually the braided stuff had PVC
>     or rubber insulation underneath the braids.  Only problem with PVC is
>     that the color coding has to be different, which adds to confusion.
>
>     Rhode Island Wiring is the gold standard for wiring for Healeys.
>     http://www.riwire.com/
>     very expensive, but if you go to their website and look for foreign
>     cars/Austin-Healey, under BN2 you will find a list of 15 different
>     pieces that they offer, two of them are pairs like the headlights.
>     Some of them are ground straps.  But several are pretty complex.  This
>     should help you figure out what pieces you were given, although some
>     wiring providers combined a couple of the harnesses so be prepared for
>     that too.
>
>     The harnesses connect together with bullet connectors, as you probably
>     know.  RI Wiring provides theirs already soldered and crimped in place
>     but yours may need to be installed.
>
>     Even with RI Wiring's detailed diagrams, I had to lay out the
>     harnesses and attach tags to each wire end to sort out what went
>     where.  Occasionally you will need 'siamesed' bullet connector sockets
>     that allow you to connect three or four wires together. They are
>     available if you don't have them.  Also there is a tool that makes it
>     a lot easier to push the bullets into the sockets (but not to get them
>     out).  NOS bullets and sockets are best if you can find them.  Be
>     prepared for fitting problems with the aftermarket ones, though some
>     are better than others.
>
>     Make sure you have all of the grommets that you need, especially the
>     big one on the firewall that needs special care to feed the harness
>     through.  Put the grommet on the harness before you start that part.
>
>     Take your time.
>
>     -Roland
>
>     On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 05:22:25 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
>
>     >     I have a wiring harness that was given to me by a restorer
>     friend just before he passed away.  He told me it was a BN2
>     harness.  It is cloth with PVC wires.  The pictures I have of most
>     restorations that clearly show the main harness against the
>     firewall are cloth and braid covered wires.  I can see the color
>     codes of the braided wires that align with some of the PVC wires
>     of my harness, but I seem to have a few extra wires coming out of
>     the harness where there should not be any.  How can I tell the
>     difference between a BN1 and a BN2 main harness that is cloth and
>     PVC.  There is also four smaller harnesses of which I am sure one
>     or more will connect to the main harness somewhere.  A little bit
>     more to deal with here than my Bugeye that I installed in
>     2000.Mike MacLean
>


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    <p>Our BN2 has the flasher on the cockpit side of the scuttle and,
      yes, it's a PITA to get to.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/2/2018 1:13 AM, Michael MacLean
      wrote:<br>
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      According to an article (with a picture) on John Simms website by
      Rich Chysler the BN2 had the flasher unit on the inside face of
      the firewall.  Now I'm confused.
      <div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1541146372071">Mike MacLean<br
          id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1541146258464">
        <br>
        <div id="ymail_android_signature"><a
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            <div>On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:34 AM,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:rwilhelmy@sbcglobal.net";>rwilhelmy@sbcglobal.net</a></div>
            <div><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:rwilhelmy@sbcglobal.net";>&lt;rwilhelmy@sbcglobal.net&gt;</a> 
wrote:</div>
          </div>
          <div style="padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0;
            border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> couple of easy
            differences:  BN1 had two relays to control the<br
              clear="none">
            overdrive circuit.  BN2 had one.  BN1 had flasher located
            under the<br clear="none">
            dash where it is almost impossible to access.  BN2 had it on
            the<br clear="none">
            engine side of the firewall.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Nothing wrong with PVC insulation.  Actually the braided
            stuff had PVC<br clear="none">
            or rubber insulation underneath the braids.  Only problem
            with PVC is<br clear="none">
            that the color coding has to be different, which adds to
            confusion.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Rhode Island Wiring is the gold standard for wiring for
            Healeys.<br clear="none">
            <a shape="rect" href="http://www.riwire.com/";
              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.riwire.com/</a><br
              clear="none">
            very expensive, but if you go to their website and look for
            foreign<br clear="none">
            cars/Austin-Healey, under BN2 you will find a list of 15
            different<br clear="none">
            pieces that they offer, two of them are pairs like the
            headlights.<br clear="none">
            Some of them are ground straps.  But several are pretty
            complex.  This<br clear="none">
            should help you figure out what pieces you were given,
            although some<br clear="none">
            wiring providers combined a couple of the harnesses so be
            prepared for<br clear="none">
            that too.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            The harnesses connect together with bullet connectors, as
            you probably<br clear="none">
            know.  RI Wiring provides theirs already soldered and
            crimped in place<br clear="none">
            but yours may need to be installed.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Even with RI Wiring's detailed diagrams, I had to lay out
            the<br clear="none">
            harnesses and attach tags to each wire end to sort out what
            went<br clear="none">
            where.  Occasionally you will need 'siamesed' bullet
            connector sockets<br clear="none">
            that allow you to connect three or four wires together. 
            They are<br clear="none">
            available if you don't have them.  Also there is a tool that
            makes it<br clear="none">
            a lot easier to push the bullets into the sockets (but not
            to get them<br clear="none">
            out).  NOS bullets and sockets are best if you can find
            them.  Be<br clear="none">
            prepared for fitting problems with the aftermarket ones,
            though some<br clear="none">
            are better than others.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Make sure you have all of the grommets that you need,
            especially the<br clear="none">
            big one on the firewall that needs special care to feed the
            harness<br clear="none">
            through.  Put the grommet on the harness before you start
            that part.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            Take your time.<br clear="none">
            <br clear="none">
            -Roland<br clear="none">
            <div class="yqt7317314192 yQTDBase" id="yqtfd49493"><br
                clear="none">
              On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 05:22:25 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:<br
                clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              &gt;     I have a wiring harness that was given to me by a
              restorer friend just before he passed away.  He told me it
              was a BN2 harness.  It is cloth with PVC wires.  The
              pictures I have of most restorations that clearly show the
              main harness against the firewall are cloth and braid
              covered wires.  I can see the color codes of the braided
              wires that align with some of the PVC wires of my harness,
              but I seem to have a few extra wires coming out of the
              harness where there should not be any.  How can I tell the
              difference between a BN1 and a BN2 main harness that is
              cloth and PVC.  There is also four smaller harnesses of
              which I am sure one or more will connect to the main
              harness somewhere.  A little bit more to deal with here
              than my Bugeye that I installed in 2000.Mike MacLean</div>
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