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Re: [Healeys] engine identification

To: "'Bruce Steele'" <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>, "'J. Scott Morris'" <jstmorris@yahoo.com>, "'mitch'" <dayton21@comcast.net>, <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] engine identification
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Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 09:03:25 -0000
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In my notes I have this:-

=E2=80=9CR=E2=80=A6Overdrive(Laycock)

U=E2=80=A6Gearchange found on centre of floor ie not on column. =
Basically, means floor change.=E2=80=9D

I asked very much the same question as you about 3 months ago. My =
=E2=80=9Cnotes=E2=80=9D derive from Steve=E2=80=99s answer at that time. =


I guess BMC was trying to impose some sort of system(?) into their =
apparently haphazard production. And I suppose it=E2=80=99s a way of =
differentiating from the various cars that were shambling down the =
production line. Westminsters, for example, big saloons with +/- same =
engines as 3000s=E2=80=A6.they might have had column shift. I =
don=E2=80=99t recall. Nice cars and the Vanden Plas versions sell well =
today. To digress even further, Westminsters were ideal for =
=E2=80=9CBanger Racing=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6.big, heavy and practically =
indestructible. Hence there are so few Westminster automatics around to =
donate their 3:54 diffs.

Happy Christmas,

Simon

=20

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bruce Steele
Sent: 25 December 2018 06:51
To: 'J. Scott Morris' <jstmorris@yahoo.com>; 'mitch' =
<dayton21@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] engine identification

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I=E2=80=99m perplexed by the references to the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D in =
the engine number in the documents which Scott attached.  The first =
attachment states that 3000 Mk I commenced with engine number 29D-U-H101 =
and ended with 29D-U-H26212.  The second document states that =
=E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D indicated a center shift gear box.  We know that all =
Mark I Healeys were side shift; the center shift was not introduced =
until near the end of the Mark II BN7/BT7 run in November, 1961 at =
engine number 29E/2246, chassis number BT7/15881 and BN7/16039, per =
Clausager=E2=80=99s book.  Hence, the 2 documents conflict and my =
confusion over the statement that the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D refers to a =
center shift box. =20

=20

Clausager states: =E2=80=9CHowever, the engine prefix was later changed, =
possibly coinciding with the introduction of the six-port engine in =
1957.  These engines had the prefix 26D, followed by U on non-overdrive =
cars, and R (or RU) on overdrive cars, finishing with the letter H for =
High compression=E2=80=9D (Original Austin Healey, Clausager, 1990, pg. =
87).

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Case in point, my BN7, produced 26-28 September, 1960 is chassis number =
12656 and engine number 29D-U-H/22855 (my car was originally a non-OD =
car), verified by the BMIHT certificate.  The gearbox is a correct side =
shift unit.  This is in agreement with Clausager=E2=80=99s description.

=20

So, the assertion that U denotes center shift is quite confusing.  =
Anyone else able to weigh in?

=20

Bruce Steele

Brea, CA

1960 BN7

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. =
Scott Morris
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] engine identification

=20

Hello Mitch and Seasons Greetings. =20

The attached files may help a little but the casting numbers are not =
related to sequential engine production.=20

--Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada           - Keep Smiling, Murphy =
Lives

=20

On Monday, December 24, 2018 7:39 AM, mitch <dayton21@comcast.net =

=20

Hello

=20

How do you ID an engine block/or head=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6that does not =
have an ID tag?

Do the engine block casting numbers mean anything?

=20

Mitchell

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>In my notes I have this:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>=E2=80=9CR=E2=80=A6Overdrive(Laycock)<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>U=E2=80=A6Gearchange found on centre of floor ie not on =
column. Basically, means floor change.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I asked very much the same question as you about 3 months =
ago. My =E2=80=9Cnotes=E2=80=9D derive from Steve=E2=80=99s answer at =
that time. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I guess BMC was trying to impose some sort of system(?) =
into their apparently haphazard production. And I suppose it=E2=80=99s a =
way of differentiating from the various cars that were shambling down =
the production line. Westminsters, for example, big saloons with +/- =
same engines as 3000s=E2=80=A6.they might have had column shift. I =
don=E2=80=99t recall. Nice cars and the Vanden Plas versions sell well =
today. To digress even further, Westminsters were ideal for =
=E2=80=9CBanger Racing=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6.big, heavy and practically =
indestructible. Hence there are so few Westminster automatics around to =
donate their 3:54 diffs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Happy Christmas,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce =
Steele<br><b>Sent:</b> 25 December 2018 06:51<br><b>To:</b> 'J. Scott =
Morris' &lt;jstmorris@yahoo.com&gt;; 'mitch' =
&lt;dayton21@comcast.net&gt;; healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] engine identification<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>I=E2=80=99m =
perplexed by the references to the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D in the engine =
number in the documents which Scott attached.&nbsp; The first attachment =
states that 3000 Mk I commenced with engine number 29D-U-H101 and ended =
with 29D-U-H26212.&nbsp; The second document states that =
=E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D indicated a center shift gear box.&nbsp; We know =
that all Mark I Healeys were side shift; the center shift was not =
introduced until near the end of the Mark II BN7/BT7 run in November, =
1961 at engine number 29E/2246, chassis number BT7/15881 and BN7/16039, =
per Clausager=E2=80=99s book. &nbsp;Hence, the 2 documents conflict and =
my confusion over the statement that the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D refers to a =
center shift box.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Clausager =
states: =E2=80=9CHowever, the engine prefix was later changed, possibly =
coinciding with the introduction of the six-port engine in 1957.&nbsp; =
These engines had the prefix 26D, followed by U on non-overdrive cars, =
and R (or RU) on overdrive cars, finishing with the letter H for High =
compression=E2=80=9D (Original Austin Healey, Clausager, 1990, pg. =
87).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Case in =
point, my BN7, produced 26-28 September, 1960 is chassis number 12656 =
and engine number 29D-U-H/22855 (my car was originally a non-OD car), =
verified by the BMIHT certificate.&nbsp; The gearbox is a correct side =
shift unit. &nbsp;This is in agreement with Clausager=E2=80=99s =
description.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>So, the =
assertion that U denotes center shift is quite confusing.&nbsp; Anyone =
else able to weigh in?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Bruce Steele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Brea, CA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>1960 BN7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys [<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J. Scott Morris<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Monday, December 24, 2018 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> mitch &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dayton21@comcast.net";>dayton21@comcast.net</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Healeys] engine =
identification<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1545664733618_15725"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Hello Mitch and =
Seasons Greetings.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1545664733618_15724"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>The attached files =
may help a little but the casting numbers are not related to sequential =
engine production.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1545664733618_15723"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>--Scott Morris; =
Simcoe, Ontario, =
Canada&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - =
Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Monday, December 24, 2018 7:39 AM, mitch &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dayton21@comcast.net";>dayton21@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p><div><div id=3Dyiv4990789953><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Hello<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>How do you ID =
an engine block/or head=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6that does not have an ID =
tag?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Do the engine =
block casting numbers mean anything?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Mitchell<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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