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Re: [Healeys] engine identification

To: BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] engine identification
From: Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:21:39 +1100
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
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Exactly! Centre shift is floor located, As opposed to Column shift (as on se=
dans)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Dec 2018, at 9:29 pm, BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>=20
> The "U" code applies to all of BMC cars, not just Healeys.  Some of those c=
ars have a gearshift on the steering column, some on the floor.  "Center shi=
ft" as applied to the "U" means a floor shift, not the position of the gear l=
ever on the floor.
> =20
> Steve Byers
> HBJ8L/36666
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC=20
> =20
> =20
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce S=
teele
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 1:51 AM
> To: 'J. Scott Morris'; 'mitch'; healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] engine identification
> =20
> I=E2=80=99m perplexed by the references to the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D in the e=
ngine number in the documents which Scott attached.  The first attachment st=
ates that 3000 Mk I commenced with engine number 29D-U-H101 and ended with 2=
9D-U-H26212.  The second document states that =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D indicated a=
 center shift gear box.  We know that all Mark I Healeys were side shift; th=
e center shift was not introduced until near the end of the Mark II BN7/BT7 r=
un in November, 1961 at engine number 29E/2246, chassis number BT7/15881 and=
 BN7/16039, per Clausager=E2=80=99s book.  Hence, the 2 documents conflict a=
nd my confusion over the statement that the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D refers to a c=
enter shift box.=20
> =20
> Clausager states: =E2=80=9CHowever, the engine prefix was later changed, p=
ossibly coinciding with the introduction of the six-port engine in 1957.  Th=
ese engines had the prefix 26D, followed by U on non-overdrive cars, and R (=
or RU) on overdrive cars, finishing with the letter H for High compression=E2=
=80=9D (Original Austin Healey, Clausager, 1990, pg. 87).
> =20
> Case in point, my BN7, produced 26-28 September, 1960 is chassis number 12=
656 and engine number 29D-U-H/22855 (my car was originally a non-OD car), ve=
rified by the BMIHT certificate.  The gearbox is a correct side shift unit. =
 This is in agreement with Clausager=E2=80=99s description.
> =20
> So, the assertion that U denotes center shift is quite confusing.  Anyone e=
lse able to weigh in?
> =20
> Bruce Steele
> Brea, CA
> 1960 BN7
> =20
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Scot=
t Morris
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 8:18 AM
> To: mitch <dayton21@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] engine identification
> =20
> Hello Mitch and Seasons Greetings.=20
> The attached files may help a little but the casting numbers are not relat=
ed to sequential engine production.=20
> --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada           - Keep Smiling, Murphy L=
ives
> =20
>=20
> On Monday, December 24, 2018 7:39 AM, mitch <dayton21@comcast.net> wrote:
> =20
>=20
> Hello
> =20
> How do you ID an engine block/or head=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6that does not have a=
n ID tag?
> Do the engine block casting numbers mean anything?
> =20
> Mitchell
> =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Exactly! Centre shift is floor located=
, As opposed to Column shift (as on sedans)<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>=
<div><br>On 25 Dec 2018, at 9:29 pm, BJ8Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sbyers=
@ec.rr.com">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quo=
t;;color:#002060">The "U" code applies to all of BMC cars, not just Healeys.=
&nbsp; Some of those cars have a gearshift on the steering column, some on t=
he floor.&nbsp; "Center shift" as applied to the "U" means a floor shift, no=
t the position of the gear lever on the floor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans M=
S&quot;;color:#002060"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;col=
or:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
omic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060=
">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060">Havelock, NC&nbsp; </span><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;colo=
r:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00=
2060"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4=
DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;"> Healeys [<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce S=
teele<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 25, 2018 1:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'J. S=
cott Morris'; 'mitch'; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] engine identification<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">I=E2=80=99m perplexed by the references to the =E2=80=9CU=
=E2=80=9D in the engine number in the documents which Scott attached.&nbsp; T=
he first attachment states that 3000 Mk I commenced with engine number 29D-U=
-H101 and ended with 29D-U-H26212.&nbsp; The second document states that =E2=
=80=9CU=E2=80=9D indicated a center shift gear box.&nbsp; We know that all M=
ark I Healeys were side shift; the center shift was not introduced until nea=
r the end of the Mark II BN7/BT7 run in November, 1961 at engine number 29E/=
2246, chassis number BT7/15881 and BN7/16039, per Clausager=E2=80=99s book. &=
nbsp;Hence, the 2 documents conflict and my confusion over the statement tha=
t the =E2=80=9CU=E2=80=9D refers to a center shift box.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">Clausager states: =E2=80=9CHowever, the engine prefix was later change=
d, possibly coinciding with the introduction of the six-port engine in 1957.=
&nbsp; These engines had the prefix 26D, followed by U on non-overdrive cars=
, and R (or RU) on overdrive cars, finishing with the letter H for High comp=
ression=E2=80=9D (Original Austin Healey, Clausager, 1990, pg. 87).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuch=
et MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">Case in point, my BN7, produced 26-28 September, 1960 is chassis n=
umber 12656 and engine number 29D-U-H/22855 (my car was originally a non-OD c=
ar), verified by the BMIHT certificate.&nbsp; The gearbox is a correct side s=
hift unit. &nbsp;This is in agreement with Clausager=E2=80=99s description.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">So, the assertion that U denotes center shift is quite co=
nfusing.&nbsp; Anyone else able to weigh in?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F4=
97D">Bruce Steele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">=
Brea, CA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">1960 BN7<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0p=
t 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;"> Healeys [<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:heal=
eys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J. Scott Morris<br><b>Se=
nt:</b> Monday, December 24, 2018 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> mitch &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:dayton21@comcast.net";>dayton21@comcast.net</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailt=
o:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [=
Healeys] engine identification<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1545664733=
618_15725"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:black">Hello Mitch a=
nd Seasons Greetings.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1545664733618_15724"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whi=
te"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:=
black">The attached files may help a little but the casting numbers are not r=
elated to sequential engine production.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1545664733618_15723"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;ser=
if&quot;;color:black">--Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom=
:12.0pt;background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:blac=
k">On Monday, December 24, 2018 7:39 AM, mitch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dayton2=
1@comcast.net">dayton21@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;backg=
round:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div id=3D"yiv4990789=
953"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black=
">Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"back=
ground:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helveti=
ca&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">How do you ID an engine block/o=
r head=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6that does not have an ID tag?<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Do the e=
ngine block casting numbers mean anything?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:bla=
ck">Mitchell<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><=
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