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Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:26:02 +0000
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I disagree that valve clearances are not critical. As the engine comes up t=
o temperature the metal parts of the valve train (valves, lifters, push rod=
s, the head itself and the rocker shaft towers) increase in length and the =
valve clearances are calculated to assure that this expansion isn't allowed=
 to affect the sealing of the valves on their seats. If the valves are set =
too tight they reach a point where they won't touch the seats and therefore=
 won't seal. Hot gases rushing through the gaps will quickly erode the valv=
es. Also increasing the duration and/or lift of the cam has the effect of t=
he  decreasing the length of the opening and closing ramps on the back side=
 of the cam This reduces the length of time (dwell) the valve remains on th=
e seat. Increasing the valve clearance restores the dwell time the valve ne=
eds to transfer its heat load to the cooling system through the valve seat =
and the cylinder head. Too little dwell time or the lack of proper valve se=
aling are two causes of burned valves.

In my own experience I installed an Isky cam with a grind a little more agg=
ressive than the 100M cam and set the clearances to 0.012" per the manual. =
Within about 2,000 miles the exhaust valves were trashed. I then took the t=
ime to read the Isky installation instructions which specifically state the=
 valve clearance needs to be set to 0.018". I re-installed the head with ne=
w valves and set them to Isky's spec and never had another problem with bur=
ned valves.

Follow the cam grinder's recommendations and you will avoid trouble.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell <bs=
pidell@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:10 PM
To: Michael MacLean; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances


I should note the rockers are pretty noisy at 0.015; IIRC I tightened them =
up just a bit.

On 1/12/2019 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
I'd go with .016.  You can always tighten it.  Better loose than tight.
Mike MacLean

On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 11:01:32 AM PST, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comca=



Makes sense (for some reason).  I put a DWR1 cam in my BJ8 which, according=
 to DWR, 'is a little better than the BJ8 cam and so works well in any stan=
dard or mildly tuned car' but I think the 0.015" applies to all profiles on=
 the spec sheet.

Bob

On 1/11/2019 8:48 PM, John Rowe wrote:

Simon,

Modified cams require the large clearance (don=92t ask me why?) So go for .=
015 that is what mine is.

John Rowe

Qld

Australia



From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of simon.la=
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2019 9:14 AM
To: Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Valve clearances



The car is a MkII BT7.

The BMC manual says adjust the clearances, cold, to 0.012=94.

Denis Welch said I should go 0.015=94, cold, after fitting their =93Fast Ro=
ad=94 cam.

The rolling road guy said 0.016=94, warm.



I have the radiator out right now so I can get a nice socket onto that nut =
and have a go at the clearances.

Stick with 0.015=94, cold?



Thanks,

Simon





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I disagree that valve clearances are not critical. As the engine comes up t=
o temperature the metal parts of the valve train (valves, lifters, push rod=
s, the head itself and the rocker shaft towers) increase in length and the =
valve clearances are calculated
 to assure that this expansion isn't allowed to affect the sealing of the v=
alves on their seats. If the valves are set too tight they reach a point wh=
ere they won't touch the seats and therefore won't seal. Hot gases rushing =
through the gaps will quickly erode
 the valves. Also i<span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: C=
alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); displa=
y: inline !important">ncreasing the duration and/or lift of the cam has the=
 effect of the &nbsp;decreasing the length
 of the opening and closing ramps on the back side of the cam This reduces =
the length of time (dwell) the valve remains on the seat. Increasing the va=
lve clearance restores the dwell time the valve needs to transfer its heat =
load to the cooling system through
 the valve seat and the cylinder head. Too little dwell time or the lack of=
 proper valve sealing are two causes of burned valves.</span></div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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In my own experience I installed an Isky cam with a grind a little more agg=
ressive than the 100M cam and set the clearances to 0.012&quot; per the man=
ual. Within about 2,000 miles the exhaust valves were trashed. I then took =
the time to read the Isky installation
 instructions which specifically state the valve clearance needs to be set =
to 0.018&quot;. I re-installed the head with new valves and set them to Isk=
y's spec and never had another problem with burned valves.</div>
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Follow the cam grinder's recommendations and you will avoid trouble.</div>
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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BN1 #554</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
ounces@autox.team.net&gt; on behalf of Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net=
&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael MacLean; healeys@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances</font>
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<p>I should note the rockers are pretty noisy at 0.015; IIRC I tightened th=
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<div>I'd go with .016.&nbsp; You can always tighten it.&nbsp; Better loose =
than tight.</div>
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<div>On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 11:01:32 AM PST, Bob Spidell <a class=
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<p>Makes sense (for some reason).&nbsp; I put a DWR1 cam in my BJ8 which, a=
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any standard or mildly tuned car' but I think the 0.015&quot; applies to al=
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<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Modifie=
d cams require the large clearance (don=92t ask me why?) So go for .015 tha=
t is what mine is.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">John Ro=
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<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Qld</sp=
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0614moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:simon.lachla=
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 12 January 2019 9:14 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Healeys<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Valve clearances</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The car is a MkI=
I BT7.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The BMC manual s=
ays adjust the clearances, cold, to 0.012=94.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Denis Welch said=
 I should go 0.015=94, cold, after fitting their =93Fast Road=94 cam.</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The rolling road=
 guy said 0.016=94, warm.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p=
>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I have the radia=
tor out right now so I can get a nice socket onto that nut and have a go at=
 the clearances.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Stick with 0.015=
=94, cold?</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p=
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<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Thanks,</span></=
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<p class=3D"x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Simon</span></p>
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