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Absolutely correct......


On 1/12/2019 11:26 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:
> I disagree that valve clearances are not critical. As the engine comes 
> up to temperature the metal parts of the valve train (valves, lifters, 
> push rods, the head itself and the rocker shaft towers) increase in 
> length and the valve clearances are calculated to assure that this 
> expansion isn't allowed to affect the sealing of the valves on their 
> seats. If the valves are set too tight they reach a point where they 
> won't touch the seats and therefore won't seal. Hot gases rushing 
> through the gaps will quickly erode the valves. Also increasing the 
> duration and/or lift of the cam has the effect of the  decreasing the 
> length of the opening and closing ramps on the back side of the cam 
> This reduces the length of time (dwell) the valve remains on the seat. 
> Increasing the valve clearance restores the dwell time the valve needs 
> to transfer its heat load to the cooling system through the valve seat 
> and the cylinder head. Too little dwell time or the lack of proper 
> valve sealing are two causes of burned valves.
>
> In my own experience I installed an Isky cam with a grind a little 
> more aggressive than the 100M cam and set the clearances to 0.012" per 
> the manual. Within about 2,000 miles the exhaust valves were trashed. 
> I then took the time to read the Isky installation instructions which 
> specifically state the valve clearance needs to be set to 0.018". I 
> re-installed the head with new valves and set them to Isky's spec and 
> never had another problem with burned valves.
>
> Follow the cam grinder's recommendations and you will avoid trouble.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob 
> Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:10 PM
> *To:* Michael MacLean; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances
>
> I should note the rockers are pretty noisy at 0.015; IIRC I tightened 
> them up just a bit.
>
> On 1/12/2019 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>> I'd go with .016.  You can always tighten it.  Better loose than tight.
>> Mike MacLean
>>
>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 11:01:32 AM PST, Bob Spidell 
>>
>>
>> Makes sense (for some reason).  I put a DWR1 cam in my BJ8 which, 
>> according to DWR, 'is a little better than the BJ8 cam and so works 
>> well in any standard or mildly tuned car' but I think the 0.015" 
>> applies to all profiles on the spec sheet.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 1/11/2019 8:48 PM, John Rowe wrote:
>>
>> Simon,
>>
>> Modified cams require the large clearance (don?t ask me why?) So go 
>> for .015 that is what mine is.
>>
>> John Rowe
>>
>> Qld
>>
>> Australia
>>
>> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
>> *simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 January 2019 9:14 AM
>> *To:* Healeys
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Valve clearances
>>
>> The car is a MkII BT7.
>>
>> The BMC manual says adjust the clearances, cold, to 0.012?.
>>
>> Denis Welch said I should go 0.015?, cold, after fitting their ?Fast 
>> Road? cam.
>>
>> The rolling road guy said 0.016?, warm.
>>
>> I have the radiator out right now so I can get a nice socket onto 
>> that nut and have a go at the clearances.
>>
>> Stick with 0.015?, cold?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>      
>>
>
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    <p>Absolutely correct......</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2019 11:26 PM, WILLIAM B
      LAWRENCE wrote:<br>
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        I disagree that valve clearances are not critical. As the engine
        comes up to temperature the metal parts of the valve train
        (valves, lifters, push rods, the head itself and the rocker
        shaft towers) increase in length and the valve clearances are
        calculated to assure that this expansion isn't allowed to affect
        the sealing of the valves on their seats. If the valves are set
        too tight they reach a point where they won't touch the seats
        and therefore won't seal. Hot gases rushing through the gaps
        will quickly erode the valves. Also i<span style="caret-color:
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          !important">ncreasing the duration and/or lift of the cam has
          the effect of the  decreasing the length of the opening and
          closing ramps on the back side of the cam This reduces the
          length of time (dwell) the valve remains on the seat.
          Increasing the valve clearance restores the dwell time the
          valve needs to transfer its heat load to the cooling system
          through the valve seat and the cylinder head. Too little dwell
          time or the lack of proper valve sealing are two causes of
          burned valves.</span></div>
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        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        In my own experience I installed an Isky cam with a grind a
        little more aggressive than the 100M cam and set the clearances
        to 0.012" per the manual. Within about 2,000 miles the exhaust
        valves were trashed. I then took the time to read the Isky
        installation instructions which specifically state the valve
        clearance needs to be set to 0.018". I re-installed the head
        with new valves and set them to Isky's spec and never had
        another problem with burned valves.</div>
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        <br>
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        Follow the cam grinder's recommendations and you will avoid
        trouble.</div>
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        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        Bill Lawrence</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        BN1 #554</div>
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      <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
          Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
 on behalf of
          Bob Spidell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:10 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Michael MacLean; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances</font>
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        <p>I should note the rockers are pretty noisy at 0.015; IIRC I
          tightened them up just a bit.<br>
        </p>
        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2019 2:39 PM, Michael
          MacLean wrote:<br>
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            <div>I'd go with .016.  You can always tighten it.  Better
              loose than tight.</div>
            <div>Mike MacLean<br>
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              <div>On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 11:01:32 AM PST, Bob
                Spidell <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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                    <p>Makes sense (for some reason).  I put a DWR1 cam
                      in my BJ8 which, according to DWR, 'is a little
                      better than the BJ8 cam and so works well in any
                      standard or mildly tuned car' but I think the
                      0.015" applies to all profiles on the spec sheet.<br
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                      <div class="x_yiv1110160614moz-cite-prefix">On
                        1/11/2019 8:48 PM, John Rowe wrote:<br
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                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Simon,</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Modified cams require
                            the large clearance (don?t ask me why?) So
                            go for .015 that is what mine is.</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">John Rowe</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Qld</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Australia</span></p>
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                                Healeys [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
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href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                  
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br
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                                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 12 January 2019
                                9:14 AM<br clear="none">
                                <b>To:</b> Healeys<br clear="none">
                                <b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Valve
                                clearances</span></p>
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                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">The car is a MkII BT7.</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">The BMC manual says adjust the
                            clearances, cold, to 0.012?.</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">Denis Welch said I should go
                            0.015?, cold, after fitting their ?Fast
                            Road? cam.</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">The rolling road guy said
                            0.016?, warm.</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">I have the radiator out right
                            now so I can get a nice socket onto that nut
                            and have a go at the clearances.</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">Stick with 0.015?, cold?</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">Thanks,</span></p>
                        <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">Simon</span></p>
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