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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:59:06 +0100
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When the engine heats up the clearances get smaller, so stick to the 
recommended clearances at least for the exhaust valves. The inlet valves 
can be set to the min value or very slightly less to allow as much 
mixture in, but set the exhaust valves to at least the min. value to 
prevent burning of the valves. To large a clearance will cause damage to 
the valve train: tappets, followers, valve stems and, worse, the camshaft.

Kees Oudesluijs


Op 13-1-2019 om 16:55 schreef David P:
>
> Absolutely correct......
>
>
> On 1/12/2019 11:26 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:
>> I disagree that valve clearances are not critical. As the engine 
>> comes up to temperature the metal parts of the valve train (valves, 
>> lifters, push rods, the head itself and the rocker shaft towers) 
>> increase in length and the valve clearances are calculated to assure 
>> that this expansion isn't allowed to affect the sealing of the valves 
>> on their seats. If the valves are set too tight they reach a point 
>> where they won't touch the seats and therefore won't seal. Hot gases 
>> rushing through the gaps will quickly erode the valves. Also 
>> increasing the duration and/or lift of the cam has the effect of the 
>>  decreasing the length of the opening and closing ramps on the back 
>> side of the cam This reduces the length of time (dwell) the valve 
>> remains on the seat. Increasing the valve clearance restores the 
>> dwell time the valve needs to transfer its heat load to the cooling 
>> system through the valve seat and the cylinder head. Too little dwell 
>> time or the lack of proper valve sealing are two causes of burned valves.
>>
>> In my own experience I installed an Isky cam with a grind a little 
>> more aggressive than the 100M cam and set the clearances to 0.012" 
>> per the manual. Within about 2,000 miles the exhaust valves were 
>> trashed. I then took the time to read the Isky installation 
>> instructions which specifically state the valve clearance needs to be 
>> set to 0.018". I re-installed the head with new valves and set them 
>> to Isky's spec and never had another problem with burned valves.
>>
>> Follow the cam grinder's recommendations and you will avoid trouble.
>>
>> Bill Lawrence
>> BN1 #554
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob 
>> Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:10 PM
>> *To:* Michael MacLean; healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances
>>
>> I should note the rockers are pretty noisy at 0.015; IIRC I tightened 
>> them up just a bit.
>>
>> On 1/12/2019 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>>> I'd go with .016.  You can always tighten it.  Better loose than tight.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 11:01:32 AM PST, Bob Spidell 
>>>
>>>
>>> Makes sense (for some reason).  I put a DWR1 cam in my BJ8 which, 
>>> according to DWR, 'is a little better than the BJ8 cam and so works 
>>> well in any standard or mildly tuned car' but I think the 0.015" 
>>> applies to all profiles on the spec sheet.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 1/11/2019 8:48 PM, John Rowe wrote:
>>>
>>> Simon,
>>>
>>> Modified cams require the large clearance (don?t ask me why?) So go 
>>> for .015 that is what mine is.
>>>
>>> John Rowe
>>>
>>> Qld
>>>
>>> Australia
>>>
>>> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
>>> *simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 January 2019 9:14 AM
>>> *To:* Healeys
>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Valve clearances
>>>
>>> The car is a MkII BT7.
>>>
>>> The BMC manual says adjust the clearances, cold, to 0.012?.
>>>
>>> Denis Welch said I should go 0.015?, cold, after fitting their ?Fast 
>>> Road? cam.
>>>
>>> The rolling road guy said 0.016?, warm.
>>>
>>> I have the radiator out right now so I can get a nice socket onto 
>>> that nut and have a go at the clearances.
>>>
>>> Stick with 0.015?, cold?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>
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    <p>When the engine heats up the clearances get smaller, so stick to
      the recommended clearances at least for the exhaust valves. The
      inlet valves can be set to the min value or very slightly less to
      allow as much mixture in, but set the exhaust valves to at least
      the min. value to prevent burning of the valves. To large a
      clearance will cause damage to the valve train: tappets,
      followers, valve stems and, worse, the camshaft.</p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 13-1-2019 om 16:55 schreef David P:<br>
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      <p>Absolutely correct......</p>
      <p><br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2019 11:26 PM, WILLIAM B
        LAWRENCE wrote:<br>
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        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I disagree that valve
          clearances are not critical. As the engine comes up to
          temperature the metal parts of the valve train (valves,
          lifters, push rods, the head itself and the rocker shaft
          towers) increase in length and the valve clearances are
          calculated to assure that this expansion isn't allowed to
          affect the sealing of the valves on their seats. If the valves
          are set too tight they reach a point where they won't touch
          the seats and therefore won't seal. Hot gases rushing through
          the gaps will quickly erode the valves. Also i<span
            style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
            Helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
            display: inline !important">ncreasing the duration and/or
            lift of the cam has the effect of the  decreasing the length
            of the opening and closing ramps on the back side of the cam
            This reduces the length of time (dwell) the valve remains on
            the seat. Increasing the valve clearance restores the dwell
            time the valve needs to transfer its heat load to the
            cooling system through the valve seat and the cylinder head.
            Too little dwell time or the lack of proper valve sealing
            are two causes of burned valves.</span></div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br>
        </div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> In my own experience I
          installed an Isky cam with a grind a little more aggressive
          than the 100M cam and set the clearances to 0.012" per the
          manual. Within about 2,000 miles the exhaust valves were
          trashed. I then took the time to read the Isky installation
          instructions which specifically state the valve clearance
          needs to be set to 0.018". I re-installed the head with new
          valves and set them to Isky's spec and never had another
          problem with burned valves.</div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br>
        </div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Follow the cam
          grinder's recommendations and you will avoid trouble.</div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br>
        </div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Bill Lawrence</div>
        <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> BN1 #554</div>
        <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1">
        <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
            face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
            Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
            on behalf of Bob Spidell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:10 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Michael MacLean; <a
              class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
              href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Valve clearances</font>
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          <p>I should note the rockers are pretty noisy at 0.015; IIRC I
            tightened them up just a bit.<br>
          </p>
          <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2019 2:39 PM, Michael
            MacLean wrote:<br>
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              <div>I'd go with .016.  You can always tighten it.  Better
                loose than tight.</div>
              <div>Mike MacLean<br>
              </div>
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                <div>On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 11:01:32 AM PST, Bob
                  Spidell <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                    moz-do-not-send="true"> &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a>
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                      <p>Makes sense (for some reason).  I put a DWR1
                        cam in my BJ8 which, according to DWR, 'is a
                        little better than the BJ8 cam and so works well
                        in any standard or mildly tuned car' but I think
                        the 0.015" applies to all profiles on the spec
                        sheet.<br clear="none">
                      </p>
                      <p>Bob<br clear="none">
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                        <div class="x_yiv1110160614moz-cite-prefix">On
                          1/11/2019 8:48 PM, John Rowe wrote:<br
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                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">Simon,</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">Modified cams
                              require the large clearance (don?t ask me
                              why?) So go for .015 that is what mine 
is.</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">John Rowe</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">Qld</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">Australia</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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                              <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><b><span
                                    style="font-size:10.0pt"
                                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                                  Healeys [<a rel="nofollow"
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class="x_yiv1110160614moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                    
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br
                                    clear="none">
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 12 January 2019
                                  9:14 AM<br clear="none">
                                  <b>To:</b> Healeys<br clear="none">
                                  <b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Valve
                                  clearances</span></p>
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                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">The car is a MkII BT7.</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">The BMC manual says adjust
                              the clearances, cold, to 0.012?.</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">Denis Welch said I should go
                              0.015?, cold, after fitting their ?Fast
                              Road? cam.</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">The rolling road guy said
                              0.016?, warm.</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">I have the radiator out right
                              now so I can get a nice socket onto that
                              nut and have a go at the clearances.</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">Stick with 0.015?, cold?</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">Thanks,</span></p>
                          <p class="x_yiv1110160614MsoNormal"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">Simon</span></p>
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