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Years ago someone told me to use thick carpet underlay. (Jute? I =
forget). I did; I suppose it=E2=80=99s about =C2=BE to 1=E2=80=9D thick =
and works very well. It pads out the transmission tunnel and gives the =
interior a slightly more padded/luxury(?!) look. Some carpets sets are a =
little thin and just kind of sit there like an old bedspread. If you see =
what I mean=E2=80=A6?
Simon
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Varley
Sent: 26 January 2019 22:44
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine running smoothly, now to install the =
interior
=20
I agree with Chris, Dynamat and similar products are pretty well useless =
to stop heat when installed inside the car. They are effective in a =
closed car as sound insulation. I tried it in my Vanguard and Austin =
Utes, it reduced noise but the big problem is the mastic heats up, =
transfers the heat into the aluminium foil coating which then becomes a =
heat radiator. In my Vanguard ute you could fry an egg on the foil after =
45 minutes driving. Heat shields with air gaps under the car between the =
heat source and body is still the best way to go, and if you look at =
modern cars that is how it is done.
Cheers
Larry Varley
=20
On 25/01/2019 10:49 PM, Chris Dimmock wrote:
On my BJ8, I just have "bare" painted floors, and no underfelt. I
just have the factory style fibrous cement heat shields under the floor =
(with an air gap) and the firewall engine bay ones.=20
I have heat wrapped extractors that have been on the car for 23 years, =
with a side exhaust, and I don't have any cockpit heat issues.=20
I don't actually understand what issue you men are trying to solve by =
gluing 20 kg of sound deadening on the floor or an open Sportscar?=20
Keep the heat out first.=20
Out of the car.=20
Sincerely.=20
Chris Dimmock
Sydney Australia.=20
www.myaustinhealey.com <http://www.myaustinhealey.com> =20
On 25 Jan 2019, at 7:59 am, Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com =
FWIW I used dynamat under my rugs, firewall, and trannie tunnel cover. =
Rarely drive in the summer due to vapor lock issues in traffic but find =
neither heat nor noise is an issue.
Regards,=20
Richard C
BN7 440
On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Frank Magnusson <fmags@cox.net =
Yes; you=E2=80=99re right; Dynaliner is their best product for thermal =
issues.
=20
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine running smoothly, now to install the =
interior
=20
When I was restoring my BJ8 (about 6-8 years ago) I tried to compare =
various thermal insulation efficiencies. I.E. "R" values. My primary =
concern was heat not sound. Many of the sources made it nearly =
impossible because they do not publish this information. I just looked =
at Dynamat's website & in a quick search could not find any "R" value =
information. However, I did notice that they seem to be saying Dynamat =
is primarily for sound insulation & their Dynaliner is primarily for =
thermal insulation. Remember that anything you put between the heat =
source & the cockpit will act as an insulator. But some things will be =
better at it than other things. Dynaliner is a closed cell (air spaces) =
rubber material. That sounds similar to neoprene to me. By the way, it =
is the small air spaces that do most of the insulating, not the rubber.
R values are often stated as btuh/inch. So, if something has an R value =
of 8 btu/inch & the material is 1/2" thick it will actually have an R of =
4.=20
This is primarily discussing conduction. Heat is transferred by =
conduction, convection & radiation.=20
The insulation in a Healey will have to be able to withstand relatively =
high temperatures, perhaps water & possibly some abrasion.=20
I am trying to point out that Dynamat appears to not be the best way to =
reduce heat if that is your goal & there is very limited space available =
for good thermal insulation so use the best available after you figure =
out what that is.=20
Gary Hodson
=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2019 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine running smoothly, now to install the =
interior
Bob,
=20
Agree with other posts about replacing grommets, and sealing any gaps =
you find in the engine bay. Any opening will let heat in of course.
=20
I didn=E2=80=99t use any caulking when I installed the tunnel; just the =
factory seals for the tunnel IIRC; But, it=E2=80=99s been =
awhile=E2=80=A6
=20
As far as heat insulation, I used a product called Refletix; =
can=E2=80=99t say it reduced the heat any or not; it=E2=80=99s still hot =
in the footwell. I think if I were doing it today, I=E2=80=99d use =
Dynamat. I just put some in another vehicle as sound insulation and it =
works great for that and is supposed to reduce heat as well. I put the =
Refletix on the gearbox side of the tunnel as it=E2=80=99s rather thick, =
but I think I=E2=80=99d put Dynamat on the inside. It=E2=80=99s very =
thin (but heavy), so I don=E2=80=99t think it would make the carpet =
look too thick. Not cheap, though. Alot of the custom car shops use =
it; Foose, Kindigit, etc.
=20
BTW, Dynamat does make an entire kit for one of the big =
Healey=E2=80=99s; Don=E2=80=99t recall which one, but its on their =
website and should be a custom fit. Should work on all big =
Healey=E2=80=99s I would think.
=20
I need to pull my tunnel off as well to replace the gearshift boot; may =
put some Dynamat in there as long as I have it off.
=20
Hope this helps,
Frank
=E2=80=9965 BJ8
=20
<Now I am ready to install the interior with new heat insulation. What =
is the recommended caulking compound to use when installing the tunnel? =
Is it recommended to install heat insulation on the transmission side of =
the tunnel. If so, what to use, for example heavy duty 3M spray or?>
=20
=20
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=20
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys =
http://autox.team.net/archive
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys
=20
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lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Years ago =
someone told me to use thick carpet underlay. (Jute? I forget). I did; I =
suppose it=E2=80=99s about =C2=BE to 1=E2=80=9D thick and works very =
well. It pads out the transmission tunnel and gives the interior a =
slightly more padded/luxury(?!) look. Some carpets sets are a little =
thin and just kind of sit there like an old bedspread. If you see what I =
mean=E2=80=A6?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Larry =
Varley<br><b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2019 22:44<br><b>To:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Engine running =
smoothly, now to install the =
interior<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>I agree with Chris, Dynamat =
and similar products are pretty well useless to stop heat when installed =
inside the car. They are effective in a closed car as sound insulation. =
I tried it in my Vanguard and Austin Utes, it reduced noise but the big =
problem is the mastic heats up, transfers the heat into the aluminium =
foil coating which then becomes a heat radiator. In my Vanguard ute you =
could fry an egg on the foil after 45 minutes driving. Heat shields with =
air gaps under the car between the heat source and body is still the =
best way to go, and if you look at modern cars that is how it is =
done.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p>Larry =
Varley<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 25/01/2019 10:49 PM, Chris Dimmock =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On my BJ8, I just have "bare" painted =
floors, and no underfelt. I<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal> just have the factory =
style fibrous cement heat shields under the floor (with an air gap) and =
the firewall engine bay ones. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have heat wrapped =
extractors that have been on the car for 23 years, with a side exhaust, =
and I don't have any cockpit heat issues. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>I don't actually understand =
what issue you men are trying to solve by gluing 20 kg of sound =
deadening on the floor or an open =
Sportscar? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Keep the heat out =
first. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Out of the car. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sincerely. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris =
Dimmock<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sydney Australia. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"http://www.myaustinhealey.com";>www.myaustinhealey.com</a> <b=
r><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 25 Jan 2019, at 7:59 am, Richard =
Collins <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com";>gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>FWIW I used dynamat under my rugs, =
firewall, and trannie tunnel cover. Rarely drive in the summer due to =
vapor lock issues in traffic but find neither heat nor noise is an =
issue.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Regards, =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Richard =
C<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>BN7 =
440<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Frank =
Magnusson <<a href=3D"mailto:fmags@cox.net";>fmags@cox.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yes; you=E2=80=99re right; Dynaliner is their best =
product for thermal issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com";>warthodson@aol.com</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com";>warthodson@aol.com</a>> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 24, 2019 10:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:fmags@cox.net";>fmags@cox.net</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Engine running smoothly, now to install the =
interior<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
id=3Dyiv1297619435><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>When I was =
restoring my BJ8 (about 6-8 years ago) I tried to compare various =
thermal insulation efficiencies. I.E. "R" values. My primary =
concern was heat not sound. Many of the sources made it nearly =
impossible because they do not publish this information. I just looked =
at Dynamat's website & in a quick search could not find any =
"R" value information. However, I did notice that they seem to =
be saying Dynamat is primarily for sound insulation & their =
Dynaliner is primarily for thermal insulation. Remember that =
<b>anything</b> you put between the heat source & the cockpit will =
act as an insulator. But some things will be better at it than other =
things. Dynaliner is a closed cell (air spaces) rubber material. That =
sounds similar to neoprene to me. By the way, it is the small air spaces =
that do most of the insulating, not the =
rubber.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>R values are =
often stated as btuh/inch. So, if something has an R value of 8 btu/inch =
& the material is 1/2" thick it will actually have an R of =
4. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>This is =
primarily discussing conduction. Heat is transferred by conduction, =
convection & radiation. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The insulation =
in a Healey will have to be able to withstand relatively high =
temperatures, perhaps water & possibly some =
abrasion. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am trying to =
point out that Dynamat appears to not be the best way to reduce heat if =
that is your goal & there is very limited space available for good =
thermal insulation so use the best available after you figure out what =
that is. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Gary =
Hodson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: Frank Magnusson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fmags@cox.net";>fmags@cox.net</a>><br>To: healeys =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2019 5:07 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine running =
smoothly, now to install the interior</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3Dyiv1297619435yqt59580><div id=3Dyiv1297619435><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob,</span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Agree with =
other posts about replacing grommets, and sealing any gaps you find in =
the engine bay. Any opening will let heat in of =
course.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I =
didn=E2=80=99t use any caulking when I installed the tunnel; just the =
factory seals for the tunnel IIRC; But, it=E2=80=99s been =
awhile=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>As far as heat =
insulation, I used a product called Refletix; can=E2=80=99t say it =
reduced the heat any or not; it=E2=80=99s still hot in the =
footwell. I think if I were doing it today, I=E2=80=99d use =
Dynamat. I just put some in another vehicle as sound insulation =
and it works great for that and is supposed to reduce heat as =
well. I put the Refletix on the gearbox side of the tunnel as =
it=E2=80=99s rather thick, but I think I=E2=80=99d put Dynamat on the =
inside. It=E2=80=99s very thin (but heavy), so I don=E2=80=99t =
think it would make the carpet look too thick. Not cheap, =
though. Alot of the custom car shops use it; Foose, =
Kindigit, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>BTW, Dynamat =
does make an entire kit for one of the big Healey=E2=80=99s; =
Don=E2=80=99t recall which one, but its on their website and should be a =
custom fit. Should work on all big Healey=E2=80=99s I would =
think.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I need to pull =
my tunnel off as well to replace the gearshift boot; may put some =
Dynamat in there as long as I have it =
off.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hope this =
helps,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Frank</span><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=9965 =
BJ8</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><Now I am =
ready to install the interior with new heat insulation. What is =
the recommended caulking compound to use when installing the =
tunnel? Is it recommended to install heat insulation on the =
transmission side of the tunnel. If so, what to use, for example =
heavy duty 3M spray or?></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv1297619435DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></bloc=
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