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Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?

To: Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?
From: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:03:17 -0700
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
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This an issue I deal with everyday. The bumper iron you got probably came fr=
om England and yes they are a poor quality. I have them from Kilmartin and t=
he fit. They also cost probably 30 percent more.=20

You want a real issue the rubber parts that rot away in less than a year wit=
hout the car ever being out in the sun. I have a better quality one and they=
 are twice the price. Then some people complain at the cost.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com> wro=
te:
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ve been told the same thing.  I=E2=80=99ll give a shout out to D=
ave Nock here.  My practice is to go through Dave because he=E2=80=99s alway=
s steered me to the best, or at least the better, quality parts available.  A=
nd I=E2=80=99ve plumbed his inventory of used and NOS many times.
> =20
> Bruce Steele
> Brea, CA
> 1960 BN7
> =20
> From: Michael MacLean [mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net]=20
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:44 PM
> To: Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>; Richard Collins <gonnagitch=
a90@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?
> =20
>      As far as repops go, I asked a Moss rep one time why a lot of the rep=
roduction parts and the rubber was so bad and did not fit well.  He told me t=
hat he could sell better parts for our cars but very few people will buy the=
m.  If he lists both a premium part and a cheaper version, almost 95% will b=
uy the cheap part. It would be foolish to inventory such slow moving parts, s=
o they sell what the majority will buy.  Everyone wants the parts to be chea=
p.  S
>      So, I guess you get what you pay for.
> Mike MacLean
> =20
> On Friday, July 12, 2019, 8:29:19 AM PDT, Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@h=
otmail.com> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> Yup, fully agree with the rant:
> =20
> The rear bumper brackets were not even close to fitting the attachment hol=
es on my rear bumper, both purchased at the same time from the vendor. As a r=
esult, one each of the bracket bolts hold the bumper to the car with the oth=
er hole in the bumper empty. Looks weird but doesn=E2=80=99t impact drivabil=
ity. The bumper is so thin that any rear ender will destroy it anyway.
>=20
> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 440
>=20
> On Jul 11, 2019, at 23:41, Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com> wrote=
:
>=20
> Amen to that.  The inner forks of front bumper mounting brackets I bought a=
 number of years ago were a bit over an inch shorter than the outer forks, w=
hich required sectioning and welding in extensions to bring them level.  In r=
etrospect, I probably should have taken an inch out of the outer forks, as t=
he bumper sits too far proud of the shroud.  I=E2=80=99d totally forgotten a=
bout this until I took my aux lamps off and reinstalled the bumper for a sho=
w this weekend.  After the show, the bumper is coming off and the lamps are g=
oing back on.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Bruce Steele
>=20
> Brea, CA
>=20
> 1960 BN7
>=20
> =20
>=20
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael=
 Salter
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 1:39 PM
> To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Mike you are pretty well "on the money" there.
>=20
> I have encountered endless problems with repop parts. I fail to understand=
 why manufacturers have so much difficulty getting things right.=20
>=20
> My suspicion is that we are all partly to blame for accepting the junk and=
 trying to make it work.
>=20
> I will go to untold lengths to purchase a good used part any time as so do=
ing invariably saves me hours and hours of frustration...
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I feel your pain.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> M
>=20
> =20
>=20
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 4:19 PM Mike MacLean, <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> I am beginning to understand what a restorer friend of mine once told me. =
 He said he could restore three BJ8 cars in the time it took to do a 100.  V=
irtually no parts I have bought from the usual suspects for my BN2 are easy t=
o install.  Nothing fits like it was made for the car.  This morning I made a=
n attempt to bolt up the two bump stop boxes over the rear axle.  None of th=
e holes in the part lined up with the holes in the body above the rear axle.=
  I will have to auger out at least three of the holes in the bump stop box t=
o get all four bolts in.  This car is fighting me every step of the way.  I g=
uess it's like my restorer friend who has since passed told me when he sold m=
e that rolling frame with a few body panels on it, "Go ahead buy the car, it=
 will give you a reason to live".  I am beginning to understand what he mean=
t.  Half the time I am pulling my hair out and inventing new curse words, bu=
t I go out to that garage everyday and try to accomplish something on the ca=
r, even if I end up beating my head against the wall, I keep coming back.  R=
ant over.
>=20
> Mike MacLean
>=20
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per iron you got probably came from England and yes they are a poor quality.=
 I have them from Kilmartin and the fit. They also cost probably 30 percent m=
ore.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>You want a real issue the rubber parts that ro=
t away in less than a year without the car ever being out in the sun. I have=
 a better quality one and they are twice the price. Then some people complai=
n at the cost.&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent f=
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teele &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeybruce@roadrunner.com";>healeybruce@roadrunn=
er.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif">I=E2=
=80=99ve been told the same thing.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll give a shout out to Da=
ve Nock here.&nbsp; My practice is to go through Dave because he=E2=80=99s a=
lways steered me to the best, or at least the better, quality parts availabl=
e.&nbsp; And I=E2=80=99ve plumbed his inventory of used and NOS many times.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">Bruce Steele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bre=
a, CA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1960 BN7<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuche=
t MS&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border=
:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Michael MacLean [<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer=
.mike@att.net">mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, J=
uly 12, 2019 1:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bruce Steele &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healey=
bruce@roadrunner.com">healeybruce@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;; Richard Collins &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com";>gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com</a>=
&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.=
com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Ra=
nt?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As far as rep=
ops go, I asked a Moss rep one time why a lot of the reproduction parts and t=
he rubber was so bad and did not fit well.&nbsp; He told me that he could se=
ll better parts for our cars but very few people will buy them.&nbsp; If he l=
ists both a premium part and a cheaper version, almost 95% will buy the chea=
p part. It would be foolish to inventory such slow moving parts, so they sel=
l what the majority will buy.&nbsp; Everyone wants the parts to be cheap.&nb=
sp; S<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; So, I guess you get what you pay for.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_3324050805"><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Friday, July 12, 2019, 8:29:19 AM P=
DT, Richard Collins &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com";>gonnagi=
tcha90@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=3D=
"yiv0907245582"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Yup, fully agree=
 with the rant: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26=
282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">The rear bumper brackets were not even clos=
e to fitting the attachment holes on my rear bumper, both purchased at the s=
ame time from the vendor. As a result, one each of the bracket bolts hold th=
e bumper to the car with the other hole in the bumper empty. Looks weird but=
 doesn=E2=80=99t impact drivability. The bumper is so thin that any rear end=
er will destroy it anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:#26282A">Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#26282A">Richard C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#26282A">BN7 440<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div id=3D=
"yiv0907245582yqtfd62795"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0=
pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#26282A"><br>On Jul 11, 2019, at 23:41, Bruce Steele &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeybruce@roadrunner.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeybruce@roadrunner=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div i=
d=3D"yiv0907245582yqtfd37164"><div><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:#26282A">Amen to that.&nbsp; The inner forks of front bumper mounting=
 brackets I bought a number of years ago were a bit over an inch shorter tha=
n the outer forks, which required sectioning and welding in extensions to br=
ing them level.&nbsp; In retrospect, I probably should have taken an inch ou=
t of the outer forks, as the bumper sits too far proud of the shroud.&nbsp; I=
=E2=80=99d totally forgotten about this until I took my aux lamps off and re=
installed the bumper for a show this weekend.&nbsp; After the show, the bump=
er is coming off and the lamps are going back on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Bruce Steele<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Brea, CA<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">1960 BN7<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><b><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A=
">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> Healeys [<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounce=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a=
>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 201=
9 1:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mik=
e@att.net" target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <=
a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.tea=
m.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Mind if I Rant?</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#262=
82A"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:#26282A">Mike you are pretty well "on the money" there.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I have encounter=
ed endless problems with repop parts. I fail to understand why manufacturers=
 have so much difficulty getting things right.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">My suspicion is=
 that we are all partly to blame for accepting the junk and trying to make i=
t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:#26282A">I will go to untold lengths to purchase a good used part any=
 time as so doing invariably saves me hours and hours of frustration...<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:#26282A">I feel your pain.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">M<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#262=
82A">On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 4:19 PM Mike MacLean, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rreng=
ineer.mike@att.net" target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:sol=
id #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0p=
t;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#26282A">I am beginning to understand what a restorer friend of m=
ine once told me.&nbsp; He said he could restore three BJ8 cars in the time i=
t took to do a 100.&nbsp; Virtually no parts I have bought from the usual su=
spects for my BN2 are easy to install.&nbsp; Nothing fits like it was made f=
or the car.&nbsp; This morning I made an attempt to bolt up the two bump sto=
p boxes over the rear axle.&nbsp; None of the holes in the part lined up wit=
h the holes in the body above the rear axle.&nbsp; I will have to auger out a=
t least three of the holes in the bump stop box to get all four bolts in.&nb=
sp; This car is fighting me every step of the way.&nbsp; I guess it's like m=
y restorer friend who has since passed told me when he sold me that rolling f=
rame with a few body panels on it, "Go ahead buy the car, it will give you a=
 reason to live".&nbsp; I am beginning to understand what he meant.&nbsp; Ha=
lf the time I am pulling my hair out and inventing new curse words, but I go=
 out to that garage everyday and try to accomplish something on the car, eve=
n if I end up beating my head against the wall, I keep coming back.&nbsp; Ra=
nt over.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"yiv0907245582msonormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:#26282A">Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv0907=
245582msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">____________=
__________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><=
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