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To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>, Randall Hicks <healey100m@me.com>, Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake issue
From: Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:33:48 -0400
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High pedal, meaning that the brake pedal does not travel downward when appl=
ying foot pressure, is indicative of wheel cylinders or caliper pistons not=
 moving in their bore.  The fluid in the master cylinder has less space to =
travel to and therefore remains high. Since there is more heat coming off t=
he front brakes a suspect the problem is in that (front brakes) area. I sup=
pose if there was a blockage in the master it could act the same way but do=
n=E2=80=99t remember that ever happen to me previously.=20
But I=E2=80=99ve been wrong before=E2=80=A6..
Perry

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From: Michael Oritt
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 5:10 PM
To: Randall Hicks; Austin Healey
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake issue

I'm going for a short ride in a little while to a destination nearby and I =
will carefully observe if the pedal gets high and hard and if the brakes dr=
ag, etc.

If there is a collapsed line the condition should appear relatively quickly=
 don't you think?=C2=A0 OTOH if it does not appear before the car heats up =
that might be significant.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I am sometimes a sucker for easy solutions....

Best--Michael Oritt

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:33 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com> wro=
te:
NEWSFLASH:

After letting the car sit for a few hours I just checked the pedal and it h=
as gone back to normal with an inch or two of motion, same as it was before=
 i started out this morning's drive.

At the same time i adjusted the pushrod length a few months back I also rem=
oved some exhaust heat-shielding and have not yet gotten around to replacin=
g it.=C2=A0 Given the high ambient temperatures I wonder if heat is getting=
 to the MC, causing the brakes to somehow stay partially or fully activated=
?=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Best--Michael Oritt

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:29 PM Randall Hicks <healey100m@me.com> wrote:
Swollen (inside) brake hose not releasing fluid???

Randy

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On Jul 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope--Dot 3/4.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:27 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
Silicone fluid?

M

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 2:36 PM Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
During a drive today I noticed that the brake pedal is higher and harder th=
an normal and as I come to a stop it definitely feels as though the brakes =
are dragging, plus there seemed to be a lot of heat coming from the front b=
rakes.

I suspect a problem with the master cylinder but would appreciate any sugge=
stions as to what the issue and fix might be.

Best--Michael Oritt
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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>High pedal, meaning that the brake p=
edal does not travel downward when applying foot pressure, is indicative of=
 wheel cylinders or caliper pistons not moving in their bore.=C2=A0 The flu=
id in the master cylinder has less space to travel to and therefore remains=
 high. Since there is more heat coming off the front brakes a suspect the p=
roblem is in that (front brakes) area. I suppose if there was a blockage in=
 the master it could act the same way but don=E2=80=99t remember that ever =
happen to me previously. </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But I=E2=80=99ve been wro=
ng before=E2=80=A6..</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Perry</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.m=
icrosoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div=
;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"=
mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>Michael Oritt</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday,=
 July 25, 2019 5:10 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healey100m@me.com";>R=
andall Hicks</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>Austin Healey</=
a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Brake issue</p></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222'>I'm going for a=
 short ride in a little while to a destination nearby and I will carefully =
observe if the pedal gets high and hard and if the brakes drag, etc.</span>=
<span style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;c=
olor:#222222'><br>If there is a collapsed line the condition should appear =
relatively quickly don't you think?&nbsp; OTOH if it does not appear before=
 the car heats up that might be significant.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'col=
or:#3333FF'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222'>&nbs=
p;</span><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",san=
s-serif;color:#222222'>I am sometimes a sucker for easy solutions....</span=
><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verda=
na",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Best--Michael Oritt</span><span style=3D'colo=
r:#3333FF'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:33 PM =
Michael Oritt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-l=
eft:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-=
right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>NEW=
SFLASH:<br><br>After letting the car sit for a few hours I just checked the=
 pedal and it has gone back to normal with an inch or two of motion, same a=
s it was before i started out this morning's drive.<br><br>At the same time=
 i adjusted the pushrod length a few months back I also removed some exhaus=
t heat-shielding and have not yet gotten around to replacing it.&nbsp; Give=
n the high ambient temperatures I wonder if heat is getting to the MC, caus=
ing the brakes to somehow stay partially or fully activated?&nbsp; &nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3=
333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael Oritt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On=
 Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:29 PM Randall Hicks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healey100=
m@me.com" target=3D"_blank">healey100m@me.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><bloc=
kquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in=
 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sw=
ollen (inside) brake hose not releasing fluid???</p><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Randy</p><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-596830969268711273=
3gmail-m_8043499434626532399AppleMailSignature"><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent f=
rom my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.=
0pt'><br>On Jul 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Oritt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
ichael.oritt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bott=
om:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'=
>Nope--Dot 3/4.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:27=
 PM Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=
=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Silicone fluid=
?</p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal>M</p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 2:36 PM Michael Oritt, &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-lef=
t:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-ri=
ght:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Durin=
g a drive today I noticed that the brake pedal is higher and harder than no=
rmal and as I come to a stop it definitely feels as though the brakes are d=
ragging, plus there seemed to be a lot of heat coming from the front brakes=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I suspect a problem with the master cylinder but w=
ould appreciate any suggestions as to what the issue and fix might be.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333=
FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael Oritt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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