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Thanks Randy,
and all others working so hard on the Concours Guidelines.
I really do not just appreciate your work, I love it!!!!!!!!
As it is such a huge help when you are trying to restore an Austin-Healey=
=20
to original specs.
I think it doesn=C2=B4t matter if you like to drive a "Concours car" or jus=
t "=20
keep it warm" and use it on special occations. Its the love to the car and=
=20
the marque which is for all kind of Austin-Healey enthusiasts. I personally=
=20
love to work on the car and get the things right and have a car which looks=
=20
and drives like it left the factory.
Here in Europe, especially in Germany, I see most Austin-Healeys modified=
=20
to the taste of their owners. Some look still nice, others I would say,=20
Sorry done without any taste.
Meanwhile all talk about Concours and say its bullshit, but most do not=20
even know what Concours means. Even in the Austin-Healey Clubs Concours has=
=20
a very hard stand. Meanwhile not at all supported by the Clubs.
=20
Josef Eckert
K=C3=B6nigswinter/Germany
=20
=20
=20
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Concours Registry and Guidelines (was: Thanks for=20
all the help)
Datum: 2019-12-13T04:00:14+0100
Von: "Randy Hicks via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
=20
=20
=20
Thank You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of=20
=E2=80=9CConcours=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99ve held off responding due to the ina=
ppropriateness and=20
lunacy of the comment.
=20
Despite what some people many feel, Concours is stronger than ever. This=20
year we have sold over 100 set of the Guideline which is more than twice=20
any previous year. The 2020 Update will be out in early January 2020 with=
=20
more photos and quite a few addition and correction to pervious editions.=
=20
We research and produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos supporting our=
=20
passion.
=20
The Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does believes that our=20
Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe and acknowledge that=
=20
Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that we need to be=20
documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a source for=20
those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their cars as they=
=20
were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally believe in=20
passing the information along to those interested.
=20
It is hardly =E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D. Hundreds of hours of work goes int=
o the=20
documentation each year.
=20
Randy
=20
Randy Hicks
Chairman, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Committee
On Dec 12, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com
John, I could not agree with more with everything you have said.=20
Concours may not be for everyone but to characterize it as "bullshit"
is a profound insult to the dozens of dedicated individuals who believe
in the accurate preservation of the marque.
For years I found Kees contributions to this list to be consistently
simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find that Gmail
provides an easy way to block his drivel.=20
=20
M
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P. New, <jnew@hazelden.ca
Kees,
Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes
me angry.
I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have
seen you write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this
takes the cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you
on this list to keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to
yourself.
The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one
of the few secondary sources of information that can help in the
preservation and restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in
many ways it is THE BEST secondary source because it is updated
annually as new information is gathered. No publication is without
errors, so even great books by such authors as Clausager or Moment &
Anderson do contain factual inaccuracies that may mislead a
restoration. (To be fair to Moment & Anderson, they keep a list of
errata for their book, available for the asking)
If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you
just have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very
first sentence of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization,
Policies and Inspection Guidelines,
"The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a
number of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in
restoring their cars to original standards and to encourage the
restoration and maintenance of original cars."
This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the
word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the
publication.
So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep
your baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
John P. New
London, Ontario, Canada
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
> That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit
some
> air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of
> severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse
stuff
> is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic
and
> enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily
driver
> and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs
are
> needed.
>
> To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for
driving.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:
> > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I can't
go
> > into details right now but here's a photo of the engine
compartment.
> >
> > DSCN4470 (1).jpg
> >
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=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">Thanks Randy,<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">and all others work=
ing so hard on the Concours Guidelines.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">I really do not jus=
t appreciate your work, I love it!!!!!!!!</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">As it is such a hug=
e help when you are trying to restore an Austin-Healey to original specs.</=
span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">I think it doesn&ac=
ute;t matter if you like to drive a "Concours car" or just " keep it warm" =
and use it on special occations. Its the love to the car and the marque whi=
ch is for all kind of Austin-Healey enthusiasts. I personally love to work =
on the car and get the things right and have a car which looks and drives l=
ike it left the factory.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Here in Europe, esp=
ecially in Germany, I see most Austin-Healeys modified to the taste of thei=
r owners. Some look still nice, others I would say, Sorry done without any =
taste.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Meanwhile all talk =
about Concours and say its bullshit, but most do not even know what C=
oncours means. Even in the Austin-Healey Clubs Concours has a very hard sta=
nd. Meanwhile not at all supported by the Clubs.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Königswinter/G=
ermany </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Concours Registry and Guid=
elines (was: Thanks for all the help)</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-12-13T04:00:14+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Randy Hicks via Healeys" <healeys@autox.=
team.net></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div>Thank You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of &l=
dquo;Concours”. I’ve held off responding due to the inappropria=
teness and lunacy of the comment.
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">Despite what some people many feel, Concours is stronger th=
an ever. This year we have sold over 100 set of the Guideline which is more=
than twice any previous year. The 2020 Update will be out in early January=
2020 with more photos and quite a few addition and correction to pervious =
editions. We research and produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos=
supporting our passion.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">The Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does beli=
eves that our Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe and ack=
nowledge that Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that we nee=
d to be documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a source =
for those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their cars as =
they were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally believe i=
n passing the information along to those interested.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">It is hardly “bullshit”. Hundreds of hours of w=
ork goes into the documentation each year.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">Randy</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">Randy Hicks</div>
<div class=3D"">Chairman, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Committee<br clas=
s=3D"" />
<div><br class=3D"" />
<blockquote class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On Dec 12, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Michael Salter <<a class=3D=
"" href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" />
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">John, I could not agree with more with everyth=
ing you have said.
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">Concours may not be for everyone but to charac=
terize it as "bullshit" is a profound insult to the dozens of dedicated ind=
ividuals who believe in the accurate preservation of the marque.</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">For years I found Kees contributions to this l=
ist to be consistently simplistic and generic and was very gratified to fin=
d that Gmail provides an easy way to block his drivel. </div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto"> </div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">M</div>
</div>
<br class=3D"" />
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P=
. New, <<a class=3D"" href=3D"mailto:jnew@hazelden.ca";>jnew@hazelden.ca<=
/a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:=
1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Kees,<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" /=
>Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes me an=
gry.<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />I have been a member of this list for=
almost twenty years and I have seen you write some really inaccurate thing=
s about Healeys but this takes the cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chry=
sler once told you on this list to keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-=
Healeys to yourself.<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />The Concours Guidelin=
es (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of the few secondary sourc=
es of information that can help in the preservation and restoration of an A=
ustin-Healey. I would say that in many ways it is THE BEST secondary source=
because it is updated annually as new information is gathered. No publicat=
ion is without errors, so even great books by such authors as Clausager or =
Moment & Anderson do contain factual inaccuracies that may mislead a re=
storation. (To be fair to Moment & Anderson, they keep a list of errata=
for their book, available for the asking)<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" /=
>If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you just ha=
ve no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first sentence of=
the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies and Inspection =
Guidelines,<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />"The Austin-Healey Concours Re=
gistry was created by members from a number of Austin-Healey clubs in North=
America to assist owners in restoring their cars to original standards and=
to encourage the restoration and maintenance of original cars."<br class=
=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. P=
lease note that the word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else=
in the publication.<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />So, following in the =
footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep your baseless, uninformed =
opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.<br class=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />Jo=
hn P. New<br class=3D"" />London, Ontario, Canada<br class=3D"" /><br class=
=3D"" /><br class=3D"" />On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees=
Oudesluijs wrote:<br class=3D"" />> That looks very neat and tidy. Time=
to get it dirty. However fit some <br class=3D"" />> air filters in a c=
old box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of <br class=3D"" />> seve=
re fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse stuff <br clas=
s=3D"" />> is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traf=
fic and <br class=3D"" />> enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-=
H cars as a daily driver <br class=3D"" />> and rebuild the car every so=
often if and when extensive repairs are <br class=3D"" />> needed.<br c=
lass=3D"" />> <br class=3D"" />> To many concourse trailer queens abo=
ut that may not even be fit for driving.<br class=3D"" />> <br class=3D"=
" />> Kees Oudesluijs<br class=3D"" />> <br class=3D"" />> <br cla=
ss=3D"" />> <br class=3D"" />> Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard=
mayor:<br class=3D"" />> > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on =
is not concours. I can't go <br class=3D"" />> > into details right n=
ow but here's a photo of the engine compartment.<br class=3D"" />> ><=
br class=3D"" />> > DSCN4470 (1).jpg<br class=3D"" />> ><br cla=
ss=3D"" />> </blockquote>
</div>
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